CIA Papers declassified: Links to same

#1
I looked, but can't find anything on ARRSE aboout this lot - even though the Spams are getting quite excited about it.

2 sets of interesting documents have been declassified under the US Freedom of Information Act (of which ours seems to be a pael imitation, I might say)

The first is a collection called:
The CAESAR, POLO, and ESAU Papers

Cold War Era Hard Target Analysis of Soviet and Chinese Policy and Decision Making, 1953-1973

This collection of declassified analytic monographs and reference aids, designated within the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) Directorate of Intelligence (DI) as the CAESAR, ESAU, and POLO series, highlights the CIA's efforts from the 1950s through the mid-1970s to pursue in-depth research on Soviet and Chinese internal politics and Sino-Soviet relations. The documents reflect the views of seasoned analysts who had followed closely their special areas of research and whose views were shaped in often heated debate.
It is easily accessed here: http://www.foia.cia.gov/cpe.asp

The second is known as "THE FAMILY JEWELS": 702 pages revealing much of the murky stuff that went on under the CIA up to 1973. Thing like wiretapping journos and hiring the mafia to 'whack' Mr Khruschev (inc. even Watergate, I think).

"These are the top CIA officers all going into the confessional and saying, `Forgive me father, for I have sinned,' " said Thomas Blanton, director of the private National Security Archive, which had requested release of the documents under the Freedom of Information Act.
Rather more difficult to access, its 702 pages can be viewed on line, as a series of *.gif images by going here and doing a search on the keywords "FAMILY JEWELS"


Might be a rewarding way to spend a long night shift as duty bloke/blokess somewhere.
 
#3
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/06/27/wcia127.xml

The Central Intelligence Agency knowingly worked with two of America's most-wanted Mafia figures in a botched attempt to assassinate Fidel Castro in the early 1960s, according to documents released yesterday.
Personally I don't see anything wrong here. Assassinations are natural job of secret services. Moreover CIA acted according to orders from the White House. As for usage of known notorious criminals then there is nothing special here too. Criminals, prostitutes, journalists and politicians are frequently being used by secret services.
 
#4
KGB_resident said:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/06/27/wcia127.xml

The Central Intelligence Agency knowingly worked with two of America's most-wanted Mafia figures in a botched attempt to assassinate Fidel Castro in the early 1960s, according to documents released yesterday.
Personally I don't see anything wrong here. Assassinations are natural job of secret services. Moreover CIA acted according to orders from the White House. As for usage of known notorious criminals then there is nothing special here too. Criminals, prostitutes, journalists and politicians are frequently being used by secret services.
Funny old thing KG, here in Blighty we genrerally prefer it if our Politicians:

a. Are not, and
b. Do not associate with

criminals.

There is a rather less powerful taboo that says "Politicians should not shag hookers" - not least because it makes them vulnerable to blackmail, by well - you know who. Not true in France, of course, where the politicain who hasn't got at least 3 birds on the go at any one time is regarded as very dodgy.

More important, lately (look up Jeffrey Archer on the interweb) we've come to regard politicians who shag hookers and then tell lies about it, while bunging fat envelopes of £££ at said hookers buy their silence, as shady, underhanded and not to be trusted with the conduct of important leadership roles. :D

But that's the burden associated with being the world's oldest parliamentary democracy for you.
 
#5
However shagging researchers while wearing Chelsea shirts is just a bit eccentric.

I wonder if any of the released papers mention anything which remains classified in the UK? It has happened before.
 
#6
No mention of who whacked Kennedy , Marilyn Munroe or Roswell.

I am disappointed :(
 
#7
Stonker said:
Funny old thing KG, here in Blighty we genrerally prefer it if our Politicians:

a. Are not, and
b. Do not associate with

criminals.
Sometimes criminals look like respectable law-abiding citizens. I fancy that the highest concentration of criminals is on the Wall Street or in the City. Btw, Enron Boss funded highly esteemed learned mr.Bush. It is even more that association.

As for cash for honour affair then who is 'flamboyant London's businesman'? His lordship if not exactly but very close to be a criminal.

I mentioned representatives of the first oldest profession. In fact that are 2 types of them - ordinary and political ones. Criminals pay them and also to journalists that are being used for brainwashing.

This circus uses to be called a democracy.
 
#9
PartTimePongo said:
No mention of who whacked Kennedy , Marilyn Munroe or Roswell.

I am disappointed :(
One of those could be mentioned in the blanked out item 1. Castro assassination attempt is item 2, so it must be something even more sinister than that :wink: :D

Damn this tin foil hat is chaffing...
 
#10
KGB_resident said:
Stonker said:
Funny old thing KG, here in Blighty we genrerally prefer it if our Politicians:

a. Are not, and
b. Do not associate with

criminals.
Sometimes criminals look like respectable law-abiding citizens. I fancy that the highest concentration of criminals is on the Wall Street or in the City. Btw, Enron Boss funded highly esteemed learned mr.Bush. It is even more that association.

As for cash for honour affair then who is 'flamboyant London's businesman'? His lordship if not exactly but very close to be a criminal.

I mentioned representatives of the first oldest profession. In fact that are 2 types of them - ordinary and political ones. Criminals pay them and also to journalists that are being used for brainwashing.

This circus uses to be called a democracy.
Were you born in a democracy Sergey, or have you ever lived in one?
 
#11
PartTimePongo said:
No mention of who whacked Kennedy , Marilyn Munroe or Roswell.

I am disappointed :(
Roswell was already released. It was a story sent out by the air force to hide their own testing of new aircraft... apparantly.

I think their claim that Roswell was a smokescreen to hide testing is just a new cover story to hide the alliance between the Alien empire and the Freemasons, who implanted a chip into Ronald Reagan so that they could use him to kill JFK and John Lennon.
 

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#12
KGB_resident said:
Personally I don't see anything wrong here. Assassinations are natural job of secret services
Exactly so Sergei Alexandreyovich - and there in lies the gulf between us.

You may be unaware that in a fit of hand-wringing post Watergate righteousness, the US Congress passed a law specifically forbidding its government servants from travelling abroad at the behest of the Executive to 'whack' person or persons unknown holding views which the U S Administration find inimical [ e.g Viva Chavez - Nuestra Salvador]......sadly I fear their example has not been followed (to my knowledge) by the Duma.

As The Sage of Bateman's so correctly but inconveniently said

' East is East and West is West and ne'er the twain shall meet'

Le Chevre
 
#13
KGB_resident said:
Stonker said:
Funny old thing KG, here in Blighty we genrerally prefer it if our Politicians:

a. Are not, and
b. Do not associate with

criminals.
Sometimes criminals look like respectable law-abiding citizens. I fancy that the highest concentration of criminals is on the Wall Street or in the City. Btw, Enron Boss funded highly esteemed learned mr.Bush. It is even more that association.

As for cash for honour affair then who is 'flamboyant London's businesman'? His lordship if not exactly but very close to be a criminal.

I mentioned representatives of the first oldest profession. In fact that are 2 types of them - ordinary and political ones. Criminals pay them and also to journalists that are being used for brainwashing.

This circus uses to be called a democracy.
I didn't say it wa working very well right now - just told you how we'd prefer it to work.

Otherwise - hard to disagree.

On the other hand, where you live, the 'democratic' constitution was written by a Communist with the intention of prolonging the tenure of the communist regime.

Hardly a surprise that you got criminals in charge straight away.

I reckon we are on a cycle - we kicked the criminals out when we got rid of 'rotten borough' voting a couple of centuries ago. BUT right now we're on a 'down' cycle. It is fashionable for people to be disengaed from the political process.

At some point, more of them wil become politicised and we'll start to get the house in order.

At least I fecking hope so!!
 
#14
Bernard Shaw said:
Democracy substitutes election by the incompetent many for appointment by the corrupt few.
Great!

Oscar Wilde said:
Democracy means simply the bludgeoning of the people by the people for the people
Winston Churchill said:
The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter
Thomas Jefferson said:
A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine.
John Adams said:
Democracy... while it lasts is more bloody than either [aristocracy or monarchy]. Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There is never a democracy that did not commit suicide.
Aristotle said:
A democracy is a government in the hands of men of low birth, no property, and vulgar employment.
Bertrand Russell said:
Democracy is the process by which people choose the man who'll get the blame
Alan Coren said:
Democracy consists of choosing your dictators after they've told you what you think it is you want to hear
Alexis de Tocqueville said:
There are two things which a democratic people will always find very difficult - to begin a war and to end it
Couldn't agree more.

Karl Marx said:
Democracy is the road to socialism
So new Labour pave way to ... ? Btw they are socialists
 

Nehustan

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#15
First thing that jumped out at me is that they look like facsimiles that have been scanned rather than original documents. How does that correspond to the ‘eyes only’ classification? I thought that it meant 'Do Not Copy!!!'
 
#16
Nehustan said:
First thing that jumped out at me is that they look like facsimiles that have been scanned rather than original documents. How does that correspond to the ‘eyes only’ classification? I thought that it meant 'Do Not Copy!!!'
The scans have recently been made after the document was downgraded and declassified at which point the "Eyes Only" classification is void. It should be crossed out on the documents to follow US Government practices I believe.

Also no doubt original documents, letters, etc. where copied to make up the report in the first place. And probably a number of limited copies of it were put together. The meaning of the "Eyes Only" being that no further copies of the report should be made other than the officially sanctioned ones.
 
#17
Not much new in this stuff really. The only surprise so far was that they weren't involved in the final assassination of Patrice Lumumba in the Congo- they were going to have another pop, but they were beaten to it by the Belgians.
 
#18
KGB_resident said:
Bernard Shaw said:
Democracy substitutes election by the incompetent many for appointment by the corrupt few.
etc. etc. etc.
You missed out the most important one:

Winston Churchill said:
"No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all-wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is the worst form of Government - except all those other forms that have been tried from time to time." (Hansard - 11th November 1947)
This is worth a look, too:
The trouble with democracy is that you just can’ t trust it
Matthew Parris
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/matthew_parris/article1842696.ece
 

Nehustan

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#19
PsyWar.Org said:
Nehustan said:
First thing that jumped out at me is that they look like facsimiles that have been scanned rather than original documents. How does that correspond to the ‘eyes only’ classification? I thought that it meant 'Do Not Copy!!!'
The scans have recently been made after the document was downgraded and declassified at which point the "Eyes Only" classification is void. It should be crossed out on the documents to follow US Government practices I believe.

Also no doubt original documents, letters, etc. where copied to make up the report in the first place. And probably a number of limited copies of it were put together. The meaning of the "Eyes Only" being that no further copies of the report should be made other than the officially sanctioned ones.
Fair answer...
 
#20
First thing that jumped out at me is that they look like facsimiles that have been scanned rather than original documents. How does that correspond to the ‘eyes only’ classification? I thought that it meant 'Do Not Copy!!!'
Errr: Might that be because someone has scanned the declassified originals in order to upload them to the web?? Or am I missing the entire point of release under freedom of information?

Most interesting bit is the utter underwhelmingness of the Caeser, Polo, Easu stuff: compare to what we regard as 'free to view' here:

CSRC papers

(click on the links on the right of the page).

Second most interesting is to note the enormous holes in the Family Jewels piece: if keeping a friendly defector under solitary confinement in 'a remote wooded area' for over 2 years whilst subjecting him to 'hostile interrogation', and admitting to trying to assassinate Castro with the mob is admissible, what the hell lurks in all those whited out bits??

(although I do like the way all signatures have been whited out: are they afraid we'll be forging cheques or something?)
 

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