Christianity Fights Back

#2
Give His Holiness his due - he has spoken up. He has spoken the truth. He has said what many, many of us feel.

Whereas, where is the Church of England's opposition to Harman's iniquitous proposal?

- Where are the Church of England Archbishops the Bishops and the established Clergy and their protests?

- Where is the Non-Conformist protest?

- Where are the rabbis of the Jewish community and their opposition?

- Where are the Moslem howls of justifiable outrage?

- Where are the Buddhists, and the other major religious Orders?

- Where are those organisations dedicated to freedoms?

In days gone by this sort of ill found lunacy would have resulted in Miss Harman losing her pretty little aristocratic head.

Today in the Blair-Brown Broken Britain, the secularists hold thrall - the sneerers, the revisionists, the Dawkins and Toynbees, 'rule' - or so they believe. I doubt anyone will have heard of Dawkins in two hundred years, let alone two thousand - maybe not even in twenty years time!

Blair 'didn't do God', Brown is so psychologically flawed and incompetent that I doubt he understands the word 'manse' or the relevance thereof.

I am a believer - I believe in God - and I am a confirmed member of the Church in Wales, albeit resident and worshipping nowadays at St Michael's Church on Cornhill in the City of London.

I am aghast that the Archbishop of Canterbury, the Archbishop of York and the Archbishop of Wales have not raised their opposition to this inept and inelegant piece of legislation, born of dogma, spite, envy, malice and the requirement to change one's accent in order to 'fit in'.
 
#4
In response to Isquared, I can't say for the rest, but I have a suspicion that the (Russian/Greek/what have you) Orthodox response will be a firm "ignore".

We're somewhat used to opposing the Government, and having them throw us into prisons and death camps for the crime of independant thought. The Soviets did that for 80 some years. The Turks are still doing it.
 
#5
God botherers, the lot of 'em! Should all be lined up and shot, of course the middle of the line would be reserved for all the parasites of H Harpersons ilk.
 
#6
It's a funny old world. As a Catholic schoolboy, I was taught how Catholics in England and Wales were barred from holding all sorts of positions in society because of their religion. That was a bad thing. But barring gays and transexuals from certain positions is apparently a good thing. You've got to admire the Church's ability to condemn enlightenment thinking, except when it suits them and then suddenly freedom of expression and human rights are inviolable.

I happen to agree them to some extent on this one. But that doesn't stop them from being a bunch of hypocrites.
 
#7
Blair 'didn't do God'

That's not quite true though, is it? Didn't Blair convert to Catholicism once he'd left office? I suspect that was probably his wife's doing, but even so. On a different note, can you imagine the repurcussions of anybody attempting legal action against a mosque under the proposed legislation? They have to tinker don't they? They go on about diversity when all they seem to want is to turn everybody and every aspect of our lives a uniform grey.
 
#9
We are a largely secular society. A bloke in a white dress is free to say what he likes, as is one wearing a crown. But they are pretty irrelevant in the scheme of things.

I might be more inclined to be more supportive of Churches (various) had I not heard York (who I admire greatly) passionately arguing that Parliament and not the media are the forum and arbiter of such weighty questions as assisted suicide on R4 this morning. He's quite right, and the distinction holds good for this issue too - Parliament will ordain the Equality Bill, not unelected theologians, bishops, mullahs, rabbis or royals. Why is a Church any different from a corporation, co-operative, club or charity?

My personal outrage scooter remains VOR on this one.
 
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#10
xena.the.canuck said:
In response to Isquared, I can't say for the rest, but I have a suspicion that the (Russian/Greek/what have you) Orthodox response will be a firm "ignore".

We're somewhat used to opposing the Government, and having them throw us into prisons and death camps for the crime of independant thought. The Soviets did that for 80 some years. The Turks are still doing it.
Right on dude!
 
#11
lsquared said:
I am aghast that the Archbishop of Canterbury, the Archbishop of York and the Archbishop of Wales have not raised their opposition to this inept and inelegant piece of legislation, born of dogma, spite, envy, malice and the requirement to change one's accent in order to 'fit in'.
My bold, he's got more pressing things to do, like his Zim protest and work, and jumping out of aircraft for H4H. I would think an intelligent man like himself probably treats Harpersons dribbling with the contempt it deserves.

And I'm an atheist!

Would love to see him with the top job, I think you would see a much more vocal C of E, rather than the current weirdy beardy.
 
#12
leveller said:
Would love to see him with the top job, I think you would see a much more vocal C of E, rather than the current weirdy beardy.
Seconded. Dr John for Canterbury - then we'd see some leadership. Williams is a water treader, not a water walker. :eek:
 
#13
leveller said:
lsquared said:
I am aghast that the Archbishop of Canterbury, the Archbishop of York and the Archbishop of Wales have not raised their opposition to this inept and inelegant piece of legislation, born of dogma, spite, envy, malice and the requirement to change one's accent in order to 'fit in'.
My bold, he's got more pressing things to do, like his Zim protest and work, and jumping out of aircraft for H4H. I would think an intelligent man like himself probably treats Harpersons dribbling with the contempt it deserves.

And I'm an atheist!

Would love to see him with the top job, I think you would see a much more vocal C of E, rather than the current weirdy beardy.
I agree!
 
#14
Victorian_Major said:
leveller said:
Would love to see him with the top job, I think you would see a much more vocal C of E, rather than the current weirdy beardy.
Seconded. Dr John for Canterbury - then we'd see some leadership. Williams is a water treader, not a water walker. :eek:
I know the Catholics get an ex Nazi as head honcho, we get a lentil munching pagan yes man......... Labour didn't have any involvement is his appointment did they :?
 
#15
The pope bleats about freedom of expression for his bishops in England and Wales but his reaction would be swift and brutal if one of them strayed far from the party line in the exercise of that freedom. Witness the supression of Liberation Theology in Latin America; a genuinely popular and relevant movement that put the Church briefly on the side of the angels. But because it didn't accord exactly with Rome, it was a case of 'fcuk the coffee-picking peasants'. Benedict wants the bishops to be able to say and do what they like - as long as they do exactly as he says. For such a totalitarian institution to demand freedom of expression is akin to Stalin asking the Ukranians to apologise for starving on him.
 
#16
leveller said:
lsquared said:
I am aghast that the Archbishop of Canterbury, the Archbishop of York and the Archbishop of Wales have not raised their opposition to this inept and inelegant piece of legislation, born of dogma, spite, envy, malice and the requirement to change one's accent in order to 'fit in'.
My bold, he's got more pressing things to do, like his Zim protest and work, and jumping out of aircraft for H4H. I would think an intelligent man like himself probably treats Harpersons dribbling with the contempt it deserves.

And I'm an atheist!

Would love to see him with the top job, I think you would see a much more vocal C of E, rather than the current weirdy beardy.
I'm another atheist, but I'm proud to say that he 'works' just up the road from where I live. I tend to think though that he'd see the Pope's 'natural law' and 'freedom of speech' bullshite for what it is rather than object to equality laws. I'm also sure that he would rather pull one of his own teeth out than exclude someone who wants to worship god, or even someone who just participate in the church community, for the sake of gender or sexuality.

Isquared - Dawkins is a tw@t. Atheists don't as a rule go around upsetting people just for kicks as he does. If the god-bothers are harming others though, you'll find our wrath has a first-class stamp on it :D
 
#17
leveller said:
I know the Catholics get an ex Nazi as head honcho, we get a lentil munching pagan yes man......... Labour didn't have any involvement is his appointment did they :?
Afraid so. The 'unbeliever' Blair recommended Dr. Williams to Her Majesty.

It was of course the Arch-Fiend Alistair Campbell who pronounced of Blair and his government: 'We don't do God'.
 
#18
Tastytoggle said:
Blair 'didn't do God'

That's not quite true though, is it? Didn't Blair convert to Catholicism once he'd left office? .
He probably just enjoyed the baroque nature of Catholocism, I don't think Tony B really care's about such matters if they don't suit him....he has alot of the known hallmarks of a sociopath.....creepy creepy man.
 
#19
Off topic a bit but has anyone else seen the promos for the new Discovery channel series on Christianity?....it has Cherie Blair has one of the presenters. From the promo I assume it's going to be firmly in the Christians are bad camp (war's,horror, persecutionsect all get mentioned, but nothing good!)

I'm not religious but if it's just going to be an exercise in bashing the thing for the sake of bashing, why bother.
 
#20
I like dawkins upsetting the illogical is a good thing. :twisted:
that said god botherers do a lot of good.
But when church leaders start talking about equality and freedom of expression my hackles rise given the choice they'd have every non beliver locked up or burnt at the stake if they could.
god does'nt exsist most of the population does'nt go to church I suggest those that belive in fairy stories be kept on a very tight leash.
 

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