Christian Campaigner charges dropped

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Stephen Green, the national director of Christian Voice, was arrested at the Mardi Gras festival in Cardiff earlier this month after distributing hundreds of leaflets entitled “Same-sex love – Same-sex sex: What does the Bible say?”

Green, 54, pleaded not guilty on Sept 6 to using threatening words or behaviour likely to cause harassment or distress.
Well, whether you agree with his sentiments or not, if he was asked to shuffle off and didn't, I can see why the police arrested him for handling anti-gay leaflets at a gay march?! That's like the BNP setting up a stall at the Notting Hill Carnival!
 
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Well, whether you agree with his sentiments or not, if he was asked to shuffle off and didn't, I can see why the police arrested him for handling anti-gay leaflets at a gay march?! That's like the BNP setting up a stall at the Notting Hill Carnival!
You mean like those arrested for anti western and anti christian protests outside Westminster Cathedral or not as the case maybe.
 
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Tazz said:
Well, whether you agree with his sentiments or not, if he was asked to shuffle off and didn't, I can see why the police arrested him for handling anti-gay leaflets at a gay march?! That's like the BNP setting up a stall at the Notting Hill Carnival!
You mean like those arrested for anti western and anti christian protests outside Westminster Cathedral or not as the case maybe.
I seem to remember that those waving nasty posters on the cartoon march were arrested and charged
 
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Boll0x. As far as I can recall, we are living in a democracy aren't we? And to compare his views to that of the BNP is at best misguided and at worst, downright provocative. Believe it or not, his views happen to be the views of a good few people in the country, and probably more than the number in the homosexual "community". His views are not inflammatory, and although I wouldn't particularly agree with them, I defend his right to believe in them. It is not as if he is advocating violence is it? It isn't as if he is inciting terrorism either. The heavy handed Police action has served him well, giving his views a far greater hearing than would otherwise have been the case. What ever next ? We will be dragging old men out of conferences for daring to disagree....
 
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Sven said:
Tazz said:
Well, whether you agree with his sentiments or not, if he was asked to shuffle off and didn't, I can see why the police arrested him for handling anti-gay leaflets at a gay march?! That's like the BNP setting up a stall at the Notting Hill Carnival!
You mean like those arrested for anti western and anti christian protests outside Westminster Cathedral or not as the case maybe.
I seem to remember that those waving nasty posters on the cartoon march were arrested and charged
Sven: please tell me that you are joking! Almost no-one has been charged and all investigations stopped. Despite cnuts appearing on film, photos, CCTV, etc (even being interviewed by the press) only one was charged as plod decided that it was impossible to tell them apart.
The one person caught (but was never charged or convicted of anything) was ascum "ex" drug dealer and erstwhile student who was out on licence (his licence was revoked and he went inside for another few months chokey).

Number of people calling for all infidels and kaffirs to be murdered = 100+
Number of arrests by plod = 1
Convictions for actions on the parade = 0

Well done plod and the CPS.
 
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/09/29/npope29.xml

No criminal offences were committed in a Muslim protest over the Pope outside Westminster Cathedral, police have decided.

Sir Ian [Bliar] said that the cathedral authorities had expressed satisfaction with the policing of the event and added: "We are in an angry time and it is our job in the Met to hold the line on free speech."

Very brave, Sir Ian, very brave.

I don't agree with Stephen Green's views (or those of any religious nutter to be frank - and I include Anjem Choudhary & the Pope in that), but the police are so, so wrong.
 
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Where do we draw the line? Handing out leaflets during a public gathering which are blatantly contrary to the views of the gathering is liable to provoke confrontation, surely? Whilst I respect everyone's right to express their views, we need to keep a close watch on when and where they express them to ensure that public order is not threatened by their actions.

This is a very fine line to tread, but to allow anyone to express their opinion at any time and place they wish is liable to end up with anarchy and is open to exploitation by those organisations with nefarious intent (BNP, animal rights etc).
 
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Oh well at least it gave the South Wales Police Minority Support Unit something to do.
 
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I think asking a lone bloke to move along to avoid a breach of the peace i.e. someone smacking him is fair enough
and if he did'nt take the kindly advice of course he's going to end up at the station
 
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What about the complete opposite - the firemen who refused to hand out leaflets on safety at a gay march and were sent for "compulsory reeducation" - smells a little like Mao's china.
 
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"...worshippers attending the cathedral on September 17 feeling... "intimidated"." (from Telegraph article mentioned above)

If you stood outside a mosque (sorry - "majid") and protested along these lines against Islam, Officer Dibble would be feeling your collar pronto and the CPS wouldn't hang about either, ensuring - in no uncertain terms - you played "leapfrog with the lifers" in the showers for some considerable time to come (if you excuse the terminology)....
 
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the_guru said:
http://tinyurl.com/ly3rr

I mean, how DARE he, come into a Gay place and say things like that ? :wink:
He has the full rights to express Christian values, in a country with a dominant Christian heritage, in a peaceful way. And the police should be protecting his right to freedom of expression also.

Whether his actions were motivated by a genuine Christian desire to improve the lot of those he was talking to, and saying, look guys, there is a better way to live life, I'm not so sure.

Christianity is compassionate, radical but not out to make cheap points. It undermines the principles to a large degree.
 
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brighton hippy said:
I think asking a lone bloke to move along to avoid a breach of the peace i.e. someone smacking him is fair enough
and if he did'nt take the kindly advice of course he's going to end up at the station
Hang on. If this guy was just handing out leaflets with no illegal phrases or the like in them then how was he causing a breach of the peace?

If the sh1tstabbers got irate and started causing aggro then surely the cops should be arresting them?

If there was a BNP march and a black guy was stood on the side of the road would you expect the cops to arrest him just in case?

CND/Stop the war march - any squaddies in uniform near the march route get a free trip to the station?

Freedom and democracy? Seems like this is only an export item now.
 
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There is no doubt that the police do not or are not allowed to apply the law equally. Some one said (who escapes me at present) that the law could not just be fair but had to be seen to be fair which it is not. The Gays at the festival probably couldn’t care less about this individual and his groups views but he was clearly in breach of the law and the police acted accordingly, giving him the chance to move on then offering a caution and finely arresting him. The cps should have then prosecuted but when they fail to prosecute much more serious offences, I am not surprised that they didn’t bother.

Look this bloke up on the web, he may not be advocating terrorist activities but he is defiantly a fundamentalist who uses the law to his own ends and dose not allow for a difference of opinion. He led the attack against the JS opera and believes the word of the bible in that everything was created by god (no evolution). No worries though we are all sinners on this group, according to him. I say he can keep his religious views to himself , self opinionated c*nt.
 
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dave9727 said:
There is no doubt that the police do not or are not allowed to apply the law equally. Some one said (who escapes me at present) that the law could not just be fair but had to be seen to be fair which it is not. The Gays at the festival probably couldn’t care less about this individual and his groups views but he was clearly in breach of the law and the police acted accordingly, giving him the chance to move on then offering a caution and finely arresting him. The cps should have then prosecuted but when they fail to prosecute much more serious offences, I am not surprised that they didn’t bother.

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Why?
Is it now illegal to hand out leaflets in the street?
 
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dave9727 said:
He led the attack against the JS opera and believes the word of the bible in that everything was created by god (no evolution). No worries though we are all sinners on this group, according to him. I say he can keep his religious views to himself , self opinionated c*nt.
Hang on! He has to keep his opinions to himself, but Gaypride can convert and pronounce their values as freely as they wish, unchallenged. A Christian, in a Christian country, can't express his own values? The values that this country's constitution and heritage is based upon? Nothing particularly unusual about his website. Insanity!
 
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Steven said:
Hang on. If this guy was just handing out leaflets with no illegal phrases or the like in them then how was he causing a breach of the peace?

If the sh1tstabbers got irate and started causing aggro then surely the cops should be arresting them?
The point being that he wasn't causing a breech of the peace, but his actions may well have led to one. Rather than wait for something to erupt, the Police are entitled to act to prevent such an occurence. Granted 'bum touchers versus god botherers' is unliely to feature on Channel 5's '100 greatest riots', but where possible the Police should be looking to maintain peace during demonstrations, marches etc.

BoomShackerLacker said:
Hang on! He has to keep his opinions to himself, but Gaypride can convert and pronounce their values as freely as they wish, unchallenged. A Christian, in a Christian country, can't express his own values? The values that this country's constitution and heritage is based upon? Nothing particularly unusual about his website. Insanity!
If our christian friend wants to arrange a pro-christian really, then he is more than welcome to, he is also welcome to express his views openly, but he must appreciate that there is a time and a place to do so.
 
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Personally speaking, as a serving plod that is, I think there are far too many bobby's about today who know a great deal about "diversity" and all the "isms" that go with it and very little about the right to free speech which to my mind is far more important than all this PC crap we're force fed these days. I hope that had I been present when this nutter was passing out his silly leaflets that I would have had the moral courage to let him do it and to defend his right to do so. We all have to put up to a certain degree with people talking balls and so long as they don't advocate violence as a solution to their problems then that's fine. This chump was protesting about Homosexuality the practice, not individual homosexuals and I think he had a perfect right to do so providing he didn't suggest burning people alive for it. If he was arrested to prevent a breach of the peace (which is never prosecuted) and released a short time later then fair enough but arresting him under the Public Order Act (Section 5 I assume?) IMHO is well out of order and I'm glad he's not being charged.
 

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