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Choosing between these two regiments is to hard !!

#1
Question 1

How did you choose your regiment because i just cant do it, i cant decide between 1 rifles or 2 para, ill tell you my cirumstances and thoughts so that you can correct me if im wrong and make it easier for you to help me choose ...

2 para :

- The elite
- Less ceremonial duties than rifles
- First to be deployed
- Easier to access UKSF(I think)

BUT

- Barracks in Essex, Oh god !!


1 rifles :

- Commando training available
- Closer to home
- Wide range of roles in 4 battalions (I think)

BUT

- At a disadvantage compared to paras if applying for SF (I think)


for some reason im scared im gonna regret whatever choice i make, if anyone has any tips for choosing and any other facts that could help my decision. Thanks in advance.

Question 2

Oh and for some reason in my mind i belive that i would achive my full potential more in The Rifles than i would in the paras because the paras are very popular, therefore giving me a greater chance of being overlooked in terms of skills such as NCO qualities etc. Can you tell me if this may be true or if it is just my wrong opinion. Thanks.
 
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Screw_The_Nut

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#2
Whats all the talk of sf? Get into the army first. And anyway, there is no advantages or disadvantages for ANY unit in the armed forces concerning sf. If the individual has the right frame of mind he will go and do the course off his own back, nothing to do with what unit you are from.

I'd say join the paras for the unit pride and history - and the right to call everyone else, including your parents, "crap hats".

Q2 - It is true to a certain extent. The paras have a much better selection of blokes, because of the arduous training process, the better ones make it the rest fail and join units like the rifles etc :D . Anyway, if you have outstanding qualities you will be noticed, and it is always better to earn recognition through hard work due to the competition. Or you could join the rifles and be promoted because you can spell your name and know that 2 and 2 make 4. 8O
 
#3
Thanks for the reply mate, im really swayed towards the paras. The only reason im thinking of SF is just for the sake of knowing if you know what i mean, thanks again ScrewTheNut.
 
#4
2para = jumping out of planes, being the first in there... with the commandos following them claiming they did this and that when it was the ELITE not the wannabe's who completed all the work,

rifiles = on the ground and are just ANOTHER infantry group :)

you can tell i support paras, lol


p.s. half of the SAS are ex paras, 8)
 
#6
Broker said:
2para = jumping out of planes, being the first in there... with the commandos following them claiming they did this and that when it was the ELITE not the wannabe's who completed all the work,

rifiles = on the ground and are just ANOTHER infantry group :)

you can tell i support paras, lol


p.s. half of the SAS are ex paras, 8)
So why are you so in favour of the paras ?? just wonderin like.
 
#7
royal? na im pritty sure it was the paras who went in and cleared the area for the rest of the infantry to come through

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Because my farther was an ex-para, :p
 
#8
Broker said:
2para = jumping out of planes, being the first in there... with the commandos following them claiming they did this and that when it was the ELITE not the wannabe's who completed all the work,

rifiles = on the ground and are just ANOTHER infantry group :)

you can tell i support paras, lol


p.s. half of the SAS are ex paras, 8)
I think you'll find that a lot of "Them" are ex Green-Jackets (now rifles) too.
 
#11
2 para - jumping out of planes right.
few and far between

SF well its good to have aspirations but first like your man said get in the army first

Personally SF is great its robust role and endless in what you can learn.

If your joining 2 para im sure you have to serve so long before you can apply so dont see why you dont just go for 1para(sfsg) where you dont have to serve a period time.
 
#14
Why not try and get on a "look at life" or whatever its now called with both The Rifles and the Para's then make your mind up?

At the end of the day, it dosn't matter who you join, as long as you give it 110% at all times, and make the most out of belonging to the best Army in the World.

Me, im ex LI, so I would say Rifles.
 
#15
Broker said:
2para = jumping out of planes, being the first in there... with the commandos following them claiming they did this and that when it was the ELITE not the wannabe's who completed all the work,

rifiles = on the ground and are just ANOTHER infantry group :)

you can tell i support paras, lol


p.s. half of the SAS are ex paras, 8)
Hmmm....so the Royal Marines are wannabe's? It might be a good idea if you did a little more research on history and current affairs before you go making such comments. Of courses there is always banter between Para and Royals - but usually between the chaps serving (or ex) in either regiment who know what they are talking about.

And whilst I'm at it - "just another infantry group" - I'm guessing that you don't know their history or what it is the infantry actually do.

Just another infantry group! Humph....kids these days :D






:roll: ....walks away muttering in search of wine.......
 
#16
16 AA Bde and 3 Cdo Bde are not the be all and end all of being an Infanteer. In both Bdes there are good line regiments (R IRISH in 16 AA Bde and RIFLES with 3 Cdo Bde). I am certain that there are a lot of Paras employed by 'them', but equally there are a lot of ex-line regiment guys with 'them' also. By the way if this is a wah, then nice one!
 
#17
loaded_not_ready said:
16 AA Bde and 3 Cdo Bde are not the be all and end all of being an Infanteer. In both Bdes there are good line regiments (R IRISH in 16 AA Bde and RIFLES with 3 Cdo Bde). I am certain that there are a lot of Paras employed by 'them', but equally there are a lot of ex-line regiment guys with 'them' also. By the way if this is a wah, then nice one!
If it was a WAHH the title wud be 'I cant decide between SBS or SAS' and the contents would go something along the lines of "I no im gonna get into one, but which one please help me choose" :D
 
#18
The Rifles are light infantry / infantry that are very, very good at what they do.

The Paras are light infantry that have the added skills of being airborne, something that not every infantry man can do and are trained to operate as "insurgents" behind enemy lines after being dropped there. Whether it actually happens or not is irrelevant, that is still what they are trained for and like it or not, the Parachute Regiment does have a certain "aura" about them.

The RM are light infantry that happen to turn up in boats. In my opinion, not that specialist a role as everyone that turned up on D Day proved. Many infantry units practice beach landings and, with the exception of the famous YouTube video of the (insert whichever unit the myth fulfills) that jumped into the mud, seem to make a decent job of it.

They do have specialist branches such as the Artic & Mountain Warfare guys but, looking at todays battlefields, I'd say they are pretty obsolete.

Controversial I know but I have never been one to buy into the myth that surrounds the RM. They are the Navy Infantry and in my opinion and experience (all be it a few years ago) are no better than normal line infantry, just a bit more full of themselves. I've always wanted someone to explain to me why the RM are viewed as being "better" than line infantry but, as yet, after nearly 20 years of asking, have never had a good explanation. Fitness levels seem to be similar to line infantry, skill levels seem to be the same and apart from the odd specialist courses such as the A&MW cadre, training seems to be similar. Rejection rates into the SBS seem to be about the same as rejection rates for the SAS so unless someone is going to say that the SBS are better than the SAS then this would indicate that the RM are en par with normal infantry. Don't get me wrong, I have a lot, and I mean a lot of respect for what the RM do as infantry but personally do not put them above our already very, very good line infantry. I put them on an equal basis which, when compared to the rest of the worlds soldiers, is pretty damn good.

Personally, I'd go The Rifles if you think that you are good enough but don't care about the "kudos" of being a Para and simply want to work towards being a damn good infanteer that eventually wants to go SF, or go Para if you want the swagger and kudos of being "elite" from the outset but the bar will be set higher when it comes to comparisons to your workmates.

I know guys that are ex Staffordshire Regiment, now the Mercian Regiment, that have gone SF and succeeded. Seen as they are now predominantly Armoured Inf and yet still have a good representation with "them", I'd say that going Rifles and then going Them wouldn't be an issue.
 
#19
:D yes but when you have been bought up for 18 years, from an all bread para family, you cant help but grow with the banter of the commandos / paras.. 8O
blueygirl said:
Broker said:
2para = jumping out of planes, being the first in there... with the commandos following them claiming they did this and that when it was the ELITE not the wannabe's who completed all the work,

rifiles = on the ground and are just ANOTHER infantry group :)

you can tell i support paras, lol


p.s. half of the SAS are ex paras, 8)
Hmmm....so the Royal Marines are wannabe's? It might be a good idea if you did a little more research on history and current affairs before you go making such comments. Of courses there is always banter between Para and Royals - but usually between the chaps serving (or ex) in either regiment who know what they are talking about.

And whilst I'm at it - "just another infantry group" - I'm guessing that you don't know their history or what it is the infantry actually do.

Just another infantry group! Humph....kids these days :D






:roll: ....walks away muttering in search of wine.......
 
#20
Broker said:
And whilst I'm at it - "just another infantry group" - I'm guessing that you don't know their history or what it is the infantry actually do.
Go on then, explain to me why they are different?

Beach assaults are nothing new and "Commando" raids were primarily carried out by the Army in WW2. After that all of the "Commando" raids were primarily carried out by the Armies units.

Like I said in my last post, I have a lot of respect for the RM as Infantry but they are nothing more than Navy badged Inf. Convince me as to how they are better than say The Rifles. The RM myth self perpetuates with no history to back it up. Smacking each other with roll mats does not make an elite force.
 

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