Choose Rafale says former Red Arrows team leader !

#1
Rafale beats F-35 & F-22 in Flight International

Flight International test pilot -- and former Red Arrows team leader -- Peter Collins (above right) gives the Dassault Rafale a ringing endorsement in this week's magazine. "If I had to go into combat, on any mission, against anyone, I would, without question, choose the Rafale," Collins concludes in his six-page flight test report published in our Dubai Air Show preview issue.

FLIGHT TEST: Dassault Rafale - Rampant Rafale

By Peter Collins

Most advanced Allied air forces now have operational fleets of fourth-generation fighters (defined by attributes such as being fly-by-wire, highly unstable, highly agile, net-centric, multi-weapon and multi-role assets).
These Western types include the Boeing F/A-18E/F Super Hornet, Dassault Rafale, Eurofighter Typhoon and Saab Gripen NG. The Boeing F-15E and Lockheed Martin F-16 have an older heritage, but their latest upgrades give them similar multi-role mission capabilities. Of the above group, only the Super Hornet and Rafale M are capable of aircraft-carrier operations.
As these fourth-generation fighters' weapons, sensor systems and net-centric capabilities mature, the likelihood of export orders for such an operationally proven package becomes much more realistic.

EXCLUSIVE ACCESS

On behalf of Flight International, I became the first UK test pilot to evaluate the Rafale in its current F3 production standard, applicable to aircraft for both French air force and French navy frontline squadrons.

More at:

http://www.flightglobal.com/article...ight-test-dassault-rafale-rampant-rafale.html


The end of the article:

"The classic definitions of aircraft combat roles really do not do justice to this aircraft; the Rafale is Europe's force-multiplying "war-fighter" par excellence. It is simply the best and most complete combat aircraft that I have ever flown. Its operational deployments speak for themselves. If I had to go into combat, on any mission, against anyone, I would, without question, choose the Rafale."

That's something I was not expecting....

:D
 
#3
That's who he is:
Given his extensive experience of both military and civil aerospace operations, during which he has accumulated over 6,600 flying hours in some 68 types of aircraft, this should not prove problematic.During his RAF career Collins rose to the rank of squadron leader, completing two frontline tours of duty flying Harriers in Germany and serving in the Falklands in 1982, flying Sea Harriers while on detachment with the navy on Illustrious.

Following two years as a pilot and later team leader with the Red Arrows, in 1989 he qualified as an experimental military test pilot and was appointed Officer Commanding of the Aerospace Research Test Squadron at DRA Bedford where he worked on the Joint Strike Fighter.In 1993 Collins opted out of the military, moving to Fokker where he worked on the F60 and F70.


I suppose one can say he knows what he is talking about.
 
#4
I'm not going to doubt his knowledge or abilities, and I'd suggest that the Rafale definitely beats the F-35, if only by virtue of actually being in production. Has he flown the Typhoon?
 
#5
Regardless of who he works for, or what aeroplane he prefers...why do we have to buy foreign? Why can't we make our own domestic designed and built world-class fighter?
 
#6
It would seem that we suck.
 
#7
RedCoat2009 said:
Regardless of who he works for, or what aeroplane he prefers...why do we have to buy foreign? Why can't we make our own domestic designed and built world-class fighter?
Because it would cost 6 times the price of an off the shelf fighter, it would be 12 years late and would break within 20 minutes of the pilot touching the thing.............although on the plus side a few people would be quiet a bit richer from BAE bribes.
 
#8
Reading the article he says that it's advantage in future export competitions is that it carrier capable - how many countries are looking for carrier borne aircraft?

Still put my money on a Typhoon........it doesn't say anywhere that he has flown one

Odo
 
#10
I think current fighter developement costs are pretty prohibitive for most countries,although the French do seem to have disproved that with Rafael.Typhoon seems to be a good ship in principle but if it takes another 5 years to get up to its full potential then that puts it even further behind.Airforces monthly last month was basically saying good plane,but on the face of it we will never have enough of them to fulfill UK air defence requirements and provide air-ground contributions as well.
 
#11
Brazil, for one, is looking for fighter for its aircraft carrier.

And the name is RAFALE, as in burst, or gale, not Rafael as in israeli produced hardware...
 
#13
bangstobleeps said:
I think current fighter developement costs are pretty prohibitive for most countries,although the French do seem to have disproved that with Rafael.[/quote]

yeah, and things like nuclear deterrents all built in house - funny how other countries can do this and that cos they want to...
 
#14
What's interesting is that he worked on the JSF at the beginning of the program and he seems to have lost all faith in the so-called "5 th generation" fighters....Rafale does fly while all the F-35 has achieved so far is to virtually deprive the Royal Navy of its second carrier.

And for what exactly ? Stealth ?
 

Flight

LE
Book Reviewer
#15
There's lots of questions being asked regarding the F35's performance, not to mention it's cost.

Quite suprised that he included the F22 though, gold plated design in all aspects though it appears production was more than problematic for more than half their fleet.

It does read a bit like a Dassault fanboy article in places though as someone who has been there and done it you have to take it as it comes. Odd that no mention was made of the Eurofighter at all, it's possible he hasn't flown it.
 
#16
No matter his pedegree, the tool who wrote that rah rah article is now just a paid mouthpeace for Dassault who's trying to drum up business. Proof is in the pudding and no one is buying Rafales after conducting side by side tests with their competitors.
 
#17
fantassin said:
That's who he is:
Given his extensive experience of both military and civil aerospace operations, during which he has accumulated over 6,600 flying hours in some 68 types of aircraft, this should not prove problematic.During his RAF career Collins rose to the rank of squadron leader, completing two frontline tours of duty flying Harriers in Germany and serving in the Falklands in 1982, flying Sea Harriers while on detachment with the navy on Illustrious.

Following two years as a pilot and later team leader with the Red Arrows, in 1989 he qualified as an experimental military test pilot and was appointed Officer Commanding of the Aerospace Research Test Squadron at DRA Bedford where he worked on the Joint Strike Fighter.In 1993 Collins opted out of the military, moving to Fokker where he worked on the F60 and F70.


I suppose one can say he knows what he is talking about.
He's not an experienced f35 pilot so I doubt he can really compare the two - I also doubt he can exercise impartiality.
 

Andy_S

LE
Book Reviewer
#18
Hmmmm, this all looks familiar.

About six years ago, the South Koreans did tests of the latest F15, the Eurofighter, the latest MIG and the Rafale for their next-gen fighter. It came down to Rafale and the F15. (The Europeans and the Russians were pretty sure the Yanks had the contract sown up in advance, so did not pitch hard.)

Rafale was ahead on tests, and test pilots said the Rafale was the form horse, but the Koreans ended up choosing the F15 (F15E, IIRC) - although, embarrassingly, they had to change their own criteria halfway through. Political pressure from the US was said to be behind it: The US have 30,000 troops in Korea and are the nation's key ally.

In short, the Rafale may be great gear, but Washington is a more important friend to most nations than Paris. It ain't technology, it's politics.
 
#19
fantassin said:
Brazil, for one, is looking for fighter for its aircraft carrier.
Correct, they are the ONE, and the rafale has been chosen.

No-one else is looking for conventional carrier aircraft

Odo
 
#20
Next customer for the Rafale Marine could be the Royal Navy if the price tag of the F-35 keeps on going up....that would make more sense that getting a paper plane with questionable performances.
 

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