Chinese sub stalks US aircraft carrier

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Yeah - was it stalking or did it get lucky in where it was sitting when the carrier went past? My money's on the latter.

Embarrassing either way, I suppose but if it was locked down tight, it would have been a pretty difficult target.
 
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in_the_cheapseats said:
Yeah - was it stalking or did it get lucky in where it was sitting when the carrier went past? My money's on the latter.
Nope it would be stalking, the Chinese are building huge amounts of Song class subs, its the experience they lack. This crew (and others ) would be doing this to research drills.
 
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eveyuk said:
Are there any sites/articles worth reading about the massive amount China seems to be spending on their Military?
Yep but most are in Chinese, or you can drive around the sub yards at Wuhan - takes days. My PLA chums say that the long term aim is about three carrier battlegroups and enough subs to starve Japan and Taiwan if they have to. The Navy is definately number one in the current five year military spend plan and will be in the next.
 
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Devil_Dog.

Is that the video of the Iranian UAV seen on US stations.

So is it the "new" video? with all the F14's on it. ?

Got to love that arcraft...



When was it retired again?
 
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According to a mate of mine, who has a nautical slant, the one thing that’s putting the willys up the USN/RN is diesel subs. Apparently they are a right bugger to find compared to nuclear boats. So I can believe this.
 
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Call me cynical, but perhaps the USN 'wanted' to be found by the sub? They probably gleaned as much from watching it, as the sub did from escorting it.
 
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Red7 said:
According to a mate of mine, who has a nautical slant, the one thing that’s putting the willys up the USN/RN is diesel subs. Apparently they are a right bugger to find compared to nuclear boats. So I can believe this.

Interesting. Did He say why this was - size of boat perhaps??
 
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5 miles? What speed was the Kitty Hawk doing at the time and what was her escort comprised of?
From what little I know, diesel boats can be pretty quite and can cause nuclear attack subs and surface groups problems. It depends on the conditions and situation.
The maximum speed of the Song class is reputed to be about 22kts. Now if a sub is traveling along at that speed, it will be heard in Birmingham and will not be able to hear too much itself.
Now if a diesel on batteries is just tooling along very slowly and the target approaches it, then there is a possibility (a reasonably good one as far as I know) that it will remain undetected. However if it has to close with the target a speed, then there is a good chance that it will be heard.

Anyway, I'm sure you all already know this, so I'm off the the matelots section of the internet to see fi they have an informed opinion, as opposed to what I have picked up from Tom Clancy novels.
 
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Red7 said:
According to a mate of mine, who has a nautical slant, the one thing that’s putting the willys up the USN/RN is diesel subs. Apparently they are a right bugger to find compared to nuclear boats. So I can believe this.
That will be why we flogged all of ours then ?
 
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Red7 said:
According to a mate of mine, who has a nautical slant, the one thing that’s putting the willys up the USN/RN is diesel subs. Apparently they are a right bugger to find compared to nuclear boats. So I can believe this.
Diesel boats are a b1tch to find-that you are right about.

Putting willies up the RN-that, you are very wrong about.....

The RN got rid of diesels because,erm, good question and hopefully one that won't back to bite us on our arrse in years to come....
 
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i heard (not confirmed) that because the germans were unable to build nuclear subs they perfected the technology on the diesel subs. and in usual german fashion, "zee ver vehhry efficiant"

this lead to other countries looking back into diesel
 
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Trossachs said:
Red7 said:
According to a mate of mine, who has a nautical slant, the one thing that’s putting the willys up the USN/RN is diesel subs. Apparently they are a right bugger to find compared to nuclear boats. So I can believe this.
That will be why we flogged all of ours then ?
That's why the USN recently wet-leased a Swedish sub (i.e rented, complete with crew) for a year or so, carried it out to San Diego, and have been learning about what a well-motivated bunch of Viking conscripts can get up to in a state-of-the-art diesel boat.

http://www.navy.mil/search/display.asp?story_id=21464

Actually, looking at the Swedish Navy website, some of HMS Gotland's sonar girls are exactly that...

"Yes, Sven, first Anna and Helen from sonar will drink the American sailors under the table using akvavit, and then we will fire missiles at Jim Henson's Muppet studio for insults against Swedish cuisine......"

Ex-neutrals be damned, they're even sending their airforce about.
http://www.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123024020

As for their tankies winning the Leopard trophy (with a good-looking blonde in the crew, just to annoy the Germans obviously) the less said the better :) :)
 
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