Chinese interested in Djibouti

#1
It appears that the Chinese are showing increased interest in establishing a footprint in Djibouti.

http://breakingdefense.com/2015/05/china-seeks-djibouti-access-whos-a-hegemon-now/

It will be interesting to see the US reaction. The French will also not be very happy, but they have considerably downsized their presence there anyway.

The Djiboutian government has always been very keen to extract the maximum rent possible from its strategic location.

On the economic front, Djibouti is also the coastal anchor for the Addis Ababa railway and has great potential to expand as a cargo trans-shipment hub
 
#2
I really fear for Western Civilisation in 100 years time....... the bastards who now run China are to me, completely evil.

Their children are educated in California, run around in Ferraris and Lamborghinis, yet the poor are starving.

Is this where the world is going?
 
#3
I read a serious article, Economist I'm pretty sure, a couple or so years ago about the new powers crawling around the dark continent.

They interviewed a couple of Brits variously working for oil and mineral exploration outfits - the sort of blokes who go out in 4x4's with a GPS, shovel and soil sampling kit. They said that they were playing follow the leader around most locations in Africa - following the Indians who were closely following the Chinese. They said the Chinese were throwing money and cheap people at anything which looked like it could produce raw materials or fossil based fuels, the Indians were then picking up what the Chinese left and the US/Euro's were getting left with the absolute dregs.

Have a look at the Chinese [miner] population of Ghana sometime.
 
#4
I really fear for Western Civilisation in 100 years time....... the bastards who now run China are to me, completely evil.

Their children are educated in California, run around in Ferraris and Lamborghinis, yet the poor are starving.

Is this where the world is going?
Be nice. I'm selling my house to one as we speak. This'll be his second house in the US and thanks to the fact that you have to declare everything here when house buying I know he owns his $700,000 house in Maryland outright and the cash deposit on mine gives him a value of over a $million..........not bad for a worker ant who came over from China less than ten years ago.

The problem with the west is that everyone wants instant gratification whereas the Chinese are in the main working and planning for their grandchildrens future
 
#5
The problem with the west is that everyone wants instant gratification whereas the Chinese are in the main working and planning for their grandchildrens future
Our instinct has always been to plan for our grandchildrens' future; the problem is that we now live under socialist regimes who have decided that your life's savings will be taken off you and redistributed to those who never bothered to make an effort - oh, and those who are employed directly by the regime itself of course.
 
#6
Be nice. I'm selling my house to one as we speak. This'll be his second house in the US and thanks to the fact that you have to declare everything here when house buying I know he owns his $700,000 house in Maryland outright and the cash deposit on mine gives him a value of over a $million..........not bad for a worker ant who came over from China less than ten years ago.

The problem with the west is that everyone wants instant gratification whereas the Chinese are in the main working and planning for their grandchildrens future
No one even the Chinese plan for their grankids. They used to in bygone days when they looked after the old but now they have the western view or even the eski, scrub that the inuit view. Screw the old.

Let the Chinese dig the stuff out and loan us the money to buy it. Come the revolution (theirs or ours) nobody will be coughing up.
 
#7
The Chinese are aggressively expanding in Africa and are often welcomed by local governments as they are cheap and play by their own rules. A couple of examples:

When I was working in Sudan in 2000-ish, a unit of the PLA seconded to the Chinese oil industry and used as a security unit was guarding the oilfields to Red Sea pipeline. During that project, I and another Brit were attached to a Chinese seismic crew in the concession area. In the field, I organised a heli medevac when a hornets' nest was disturbed and a local Sudanese manual labourer was stung multiple times, going into anaphylactic shock. I was berated by the Chinese management for wasting project money on a cheap labourer.

When in Algeria a couple of years later, there were anti-Chinese riots by Algerian workers unable to find employment as Chinese firms working on projects for the Algerian government had secured a clause that they could bring over their own workforce, which was housed in segregated work camps with all camp supplies being containered in from China, so the local businesses and traders didn't even get any spin-off business.
 
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#8
Their children are educated in California, run around in Ferraris and Lamborghinis, yet the poor are starving.

Is this where the world is going?[/QUOTE
Substitute Eton for California and it's just like the UK then.
 
#9
I really fear for Western Civilisation in 100 years time....... the bastards who now run China are to me, completely evil.

Their children are educated in California, run around in Ferraris and Lamborghinis, yet the poor are starving.

Is this where the world is going?

Change a few woods to 'Eton' and 'Stately Homes' and it'll sound like the British Empire 100 or so years ago.
 

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#10
Our instinct has always been to plan for our grandchildrens' future; the problem is that we now live under socialist regimes who have decided that your life's savings will be taken off you and redistributed to those who never bothered to make an effort - oh, and those who are employed directly by the regime itself of course.
Erm, what kind of regime has there been in China for the last 65 years?

I've forgotten, I must be getting dottled in my youth.
 
#11
The Chinese are aggressively expanding in Africa and are often welcomed by local governments as they are cheap and play by their own rules. A couple of examples:

...

When in Algeria a couple of years later, there were anti-Chinese riots by Algerian workers unable to find employmentas Chinese firms working on projects for the Algerian government had secured a clause that they could bring over their own workforce, which was housed in segregated work camps with all camp supplies being containeered in from China, so the local businesses and traders didn't even get any spin-off business.
A friend of mine from Zim tells me the same story, plenty of Chinese with their own airstrips, housing, shops etc hardly if ever seen by the locals.
 
#12
#13
I really fear for Western Civilisation in 100 years time....... the bastards who now run China are to me, completely evil.

Their children are educated in California, run around in Ferraris and Lamborghinis, yet the poor are starving.

Is this where the world is going?
I thank God we live in a country where privilege, status and self-interest count for nothing.
 
#14
The USA are not helping themselves by telling Djibouti's current Pdt he should not run for another mandate....sometimes democracy can be very counter productive !
 

shibusa2

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#15
The problem with the west is that everyone wants instant gratification whereas the Chinese are in the main working and planning for their grandchildrens future
In that vein, it's government doesn't plan in short cycles like 5 years but perhaps a 100 or more years ahead. Britain does not have a vision of itself in the world now. In Victorian times it had an empire to build, civilization to take to the rest of the world, Christianity to promote but now there is dissolution of the country, following America like a poodle, multiculturism, etc. There is the angst of who or what is Britain and how do you define being British.
 

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#16
Djibouti has all sorts of plusses for China, port access to Africa, and the possibility of a naval base. Now the Chinese have part way twigged the vital part sea power plays in world leadership - nothing can stop them if they play it without baiting the US into a war. Who controls the sea, controls the world.
 
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#17
In that vein, it's government doesn't plan in short cycles like 5 years but perhaps a 100 or more years ahead. Britain does not have a vision of itself in the world now. In Victorian times it had an empire to build, civilization to take to the rest of the world, Christianity to promote but now there is dissolution of the country, following America like a poodle, multiculturism, etc. There is the angst of who or what is Britain and how do you define being British.
Angst? at what?
 

shibusa2

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#18
If you Google "What does it mean to be British?", there is a whole plethora of articles and even university courses (Durham) on this. Why are we asking this question in the first place? I don't know if other countries are having such identity crises, i.e. are the Japanese running university courses on what does it mean to be Japanese?!

This business of Britain being a multi-cultural society is nonsense. In any country there is a dominant culture and from it stems the language, laws, mind set, etc. that identifies the people. The other cultures that live in the UK are really minorities and should not have an effect on the dominant culture.
 
#19
A friend of mine from Zim tells me the same story, plenty of Chinese with their own airstrips, housing, shops etc hardly if ever seen by the locals.

The same in Zambia where they run the railway and most if not all of the mines, even having chinese farmers & small holders producing a lot of their food much to the annoyance of the locals. Its the same in lots of other mineral rich African countries and I believe in parts of S. America, they are basically securing their sources for raw materials and at the same time ensuring their manufactured goods are on those countries streets.
 

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