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CHINA'S LIABILITY?

And the UK's inability to get it's shit in one sock in response was presumably some nefarious foreign plot too?

Oh, wait. That was due to having an ineffective poltroon in charge who'd rather hide in a fridge than answer some tough questions.

Our response to this Chinese plague may well be imperfect - but that is not the point.

I would prefer the PRC had not enabled its existence in the first place.
 
Our response to this Chinese plague may well be imperfect - but that is not the point.
It's exactly the point. The world is never going to arrange itself to our satisfaction and we need to learn to deal with things as they are.

There were plenty of examples of successful virus control which we could have followed and avoided most of the critical social and economic impacts, but unfortunately they all had the same insurmountable obstacle - they would have required our own government to actually ******* do something.

I don't for one moment imagine there would have been much objection from within his own party had Boris suggested closer monitoring of incomers - had he bothered, we could well have been sitting laughing at the PRC for losing so many folk while we were fine.

The PRC didn't make us be inept, that was our own choice.
 
It's exactly the point. The world is never going to arrange itself to our satisfaction and we need to learn to deal with things as they are.

There were plenty of examples of successful virus control which we could have followed and avoided most of the critical social and economic impacts, but unfortunately they all had the same insurmountable obstacle - they would have required our own government to actually ******* do something.

I don't for one moment imagine there would have been much objection from within his own party had Boris suggested closer monitoring of incomers - had he bothered, we could well have been sitting laughing at the PRC for losing so many folk while we were fine.

The PRC didn't make us be inept, that was our own choice.
Cheers Comrade Beijing...... Having just suffered a week of hell in covid/china flu world, my opinions on china are to say the least not for publication and any politician who defends any relationship with china, should be arrested for treating with the devil.
 
If only the UK government had governed the UK properly, your chance of being exposed would have been minimal.

It wasn't exactly trailblazing stuff, they just needed to follow one of the successful examples that existed at that point.
 
Cheers Comrade Beijing...... Having just suffered a week of hell in covid/china flu world, my opinions on china are to say the least not for publication and any politician who defends any relationship with china, should be arrested for treating with the devil.

In fairness to Smart, he was highlighting the government's responses. That said pretty much every government was caught out with the impact of covid. The response from Carrots has to be balanced against 2 key influencers

Financial - the world is now so interconnected and reliant on the just in time system that nobody, especially politicians were going to risk damaging their respective economies on the off chance that a flu in China could be as devastating as some people predicted

Cultural - In "the west" pre-emptive measures robust enough to protect the population and minimise economic damage would have mirrored the BLM circus. The Democrats in America gave us a taste of just how flawed our societies have become when it comes to self preservation
 
It's exactly the point. The world is never going to arrange itself to our satisfaction and we need to learn to deal with things as they are.

There were plenty of examples of successful virus control which we could have followed and avoided most of the critical social and economic impacts, but unfortunately they all had the same insurmountable obstacle - they would have required our own government to actually ******* do something.

I don't for one moment imagine there would have been much objection from within his own party had Boris suggested closer monitoring of incomers - had he bothered, we could well have been sitting laughing at the PRC for losing so many folk while we were fine.

The PRC didn't make us be inept, that was our own choice.

I would be delighted to see a more robust attitude to protecting our borders but I don't think you can blame Boris Grrr alone for that. He is just the latest of many PMs who have not had the balls to really grip the problem of border security.

Notwithstanding - until scientists prove different, PRC caused this problem through poor food hygiene standards and should be shunned until they learn to play fair, and play nicely.
 
Notwithstanding - until scientists prove different, PRC caused this problem through poor food hygiene standards and should be shunned until they learn to play fair, and play nicely.
Well, they ain't going to be and we'll just have to suck it up and deal with that reality.

If our government can be arsed, that is.
 
I don't for one moment imagine there would have been much objection from within his own party had Boris suggested closer monitoring of incomers[...]

Do tell?

As I understand it a test will show negative to infection until symptoms start showing due to the viral load. You can't lower the threshold of detection otherwise every test will fail (for the same reason that Bleach will only kill 99.99% of germs).
This leaves a window of about two weeks where the infected is a carrier and infectious, but isn't yet a patient.

So do we trust everyone inbound to isolate in a hotel room for two weeks? I would point out to the stories waaay back when of people needed to be enforced lockdown, and needing a negotiator to keep them in isolation in hospital, or the Chinese lady who was told to drive to herself the ambulance dock in London, instead she got an Uber to the front desk infecting god knows how many.

Or do we lock up everyone who enters the country up for two weeks? Somehow I can't see that being practical, with basic questions of where and how? Example in February this year Stansted had just shy of 2 million passengers.

So you demand the Government "do something"... what exactly?
1: The prepared the country for a worst case scenario, preparations that are still in place I might add.
2: They funded several vaccine research projects.
3: The rolled out the largest socialist re-distribution of money ever to ensure that people could go into lock down.
 
So you demand the Government "do something"... what exactly?
The same things those East Asian countries which successfully averted our pigs' breakfast had done before we began to even consider responding.

Follow successful examples, learn lessons and apply them, in other words. Not do **** all.
 

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I am not exactly playing Devil's Advocate, but you do have to wonder when did the crisis planning start? If the lockdown had started earlier would it have saved lives? If planning for returning people to work had started earlier, how much lost productivity and furlough money, and jobs, could have been saved.

A Communist system cannot deal with mistakes and leaders being fallible. We are supposed to be better than that.
 
Taiwan has had 7 deaths as a result of covid.

Thailand has had 59.

Would following their example amount to 'hating your country'? I'd suggest just the opposite.

I dont know about Taiwan but Thailand is probably telling porkies. Poor people (of which there are a lot in that country) may not be accurately recorded when they snuff it.
 
The same things those East Asian countries which successfully averted our pigs' breakfast had done before we began to even consider responding.

Follow successful examples, learn lessons and apply them, in other words. Not do **** all.
To be fair they had previous experience with dealing with bird flu, SARS etc, which did not effect Europe, North America and Australiasia.
 
I didn't realise that you hated your country so much until now . . .
I don't. I hate the utterly useless governments for what they've done to it over my lifetime.
 
To be fair they had previous experience with dealing with bird flu, SARS etc, which did not effect Europe, North America and Australiasia.
To be equally fair, they'd widely published the results if their experience and were willing to help with advice this time round.

No wheels needed reinventing by anyone in any continent.
 
The same things those East Asian countries which successfully averted our pigs' breakfast had done before we began to even consider responding.

Follow successful examples, learn lessons and apply them, in other words. Not do **** all.

Like South Korea? Which basically threw every civil liberty out the window?

Equally how much is down to the societal pressure to conform and obey the rules?
 
Which basically threw every civil liberty out the window?
No, just the right to be an utter **** to your vulnerable neighbours. Life is the first civil liberty from which all others spring.
 
Like South Korea? Which basically threw every civil liberty out the window?

Equally how much is down to the societal pressure to conform and obey the rules?
No more than every other country that threw civil liberties out of the window including the UK. South Korea had a great deal of trouble with their mad Christian nutcases and their secretive churches who insisted on holding services (to collect the donations) when they were told not to, and spread the virus all around Seoul. South Korea has been a fully functioning democracy for the last thirty years.
 
In fairness to Smart, he was highlighting the government's responses. That said pretty much every government was caught out with the impact of covid. The response from Carrots has to be balanced against 2 key influencers

Financial - the world is now so interconnected and reliant on the just in time system that nobody, especially politicians were going to risk damaging their respective economies on the off chance that a flu in China could be as devastating as some people predicted

Cultural - In "the west" pre-emptive measures robust enough to protect the population and minimise economic damage would have mirrored the BLM circus. The Democrats in America gave us a taste of just how flawed our societies have become when it comes to self preservation
I am a bit of a Rubicon/Danzig type of guy and relaxed about threats, until they're arrive on my doorstep and force a reaction.... China has a long list of infractions and in my view, the plague is the final straw and the belt-road and its other actions its time for push back.

We are in a transition phase, but china will NOT be able to talk its way out of this mess.
 

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