CHINA'S LIABILITY?

Thanks to the power of the Internet we know - 100% - where it first exploded, despite Chinas efforts to cover it up.
Well, if it's on the internet....
 
Without it, only a CCP edited version would have got out.
With it - we got a well known doctor in a local hospital telling the truth before it could be suppressed. That was the guy who subsequently died.
With it, we also got 'was released by US military what happened to be in the area.'

We also got all flavours of wibbleloon conspiracy theories and are left with choosing what to believe based on what we know of verifiable facts - which are thin on the ground and positively anorexic on the internet
 
With it, we also got 'was released by US military what happened to be in the area.'

We also got all flavours of wibbleloon conspiracy theories and are left with choosing what to believe based on what we know of verifiable facts - which are thin on the ground and positively anorexic on the internet
US military happened to be in the area ........of Wuhan ?

I must have missed that bit.
 
It would be easy to call bullshit on that if it was deliberate misinformation.
Not so easy to call bullshit on the claims of origin, since nobody really knows where it came from (as opposed to exploded into public view.)
 
Not so easy to call bullshit on the claims of origin, since nobody really knows where it came from (as opposed to exploded into public view.)
Occam's razor would indicate China at a guess.

Unless we're going to claim that a insanely infectious illness travelled from another location, with out exploding into a massive outbreak, but only when it reached China did it go banana's?
 
Occam's razor would indicate China at a guess.

Unless we're going to claim that a insanely infectious illness travelled from another location, with out exploding into a massive outbreak, but only when it reached China did it go banana's?
The Spanish Flu did, and imagine what Ebola would do if it got from the sparsely populated areas it originates in to somewhere densely populated.

It most likely did transfer from the bat population there - poor animal husbandry, remote and poverty-stricken populations, etc. - but so far nobody's identified an original origin.
 
The Spanish Flu did, and imagine what Ebola would do if it got from the sparsely populated areas it originates in to somewhere densely populated.

It most likely did transfer from the bat population there - poor animal husbandry, remote and poverty-stricken populations, etc. - but so far nobody's identified an original origin.
Ok fair enough we don't know where it came from. Space bats from Mars maybe? China is innocent and running around a meadow farting rainbows, with a big happy smile on its face, while the world happily applauds the regime over its innocence on this particular point.

What we do know is that China lied about the seriousness of the illness to save face. They still are, unless you really believe that china has had less deaths than Belgium, and only 200,000 more cases? They are also said to have put pressure on the WHO, and generally suppressed their own news sources to down play everything. Remember the bloke on Reddit that saw the pattern in the Chinese numbers, and predicted with quite a low degree of error what the Chinese press would bring out each day. That was before the Chinese found an extra few thousand cases that they thought they should include so the numbers didn't look too ridiculously out of whack.

This caused knock on effects that not only allowed the illness to spread, but also exacerbated the damage done.

This is what most of us on here have been blaming China for. Not being a grown up nation, and desperatly trying to look good while its all going to shite, and that has caused massive damage in the rest of the world.
 
This is what most of us on here have been blaming China for. Not being a grown up nation, and desperatly trying to look good while its all going to shite, and that has caused massive damage in the rest of the world.
Those are perfectly valid criticisms and the looney-tunes conspiracy theories over lab-engineering and deliberate spread detract from pursuing them.

Sadly, the CCP demands an inhumanly high level of perfection from its members with outrageously high penalties for failure. This encourages cadres to bury their ****-ups as deeply as possible, even if the long-term consequences are predictable.
 
The orange vegetable still trying to show China’s complete innocence. Methinks the carrot doth protest too much.

You would not only have to be monumentally stupid, to the point of actual brain damage, to believe that but you would also have to choose willful ignorance in order to completely dismiss the growing weight of scientific evidence that suggests that the virus was prevalent in multiple locations before first being identified.

Which camp would you place yourself into?
 
You would not only have to be monumentally stupid, to the point of actual brain damage, to believe that but you would also have to choose willful ignorance in order to completely dismiss the growing weight of scientific evidence that suggests that the virus was prevalent in multiple locations before first being identified.

Which camp would you place yourself into?
Well, according to your ‘profound’ analysis, there are massive numbers of monumentally stupid and brain damaged individuals who have deliberately chosen 'wilful ignorance’, and who have placed themselves very firmly in the camp that is increasingly of the opinion that there is growing evidence that China has a great deal to blame for the massive damage inflicted upon the globe in this latest COVID 19 pandemic... (See thread title) and I am definitely one of them.

Furthermore it is instructive that the recent very belligerent attitude of the CCP to all who wish to have an investigation, has led to large numbers of Chinese in both Hong Kong, and Taiwan, to feel that the CCP’s attitudes, methods, and general behaviour is definitely not for them.

Hong Kong’s population has for some considerable time been in ongoing protests, and China’s recent pronouncements and abrogation of its treaty with Britain over Hong Kong’s future has resulted in a landslide victory of the anti-Beijing DPP in Taiwan. A very obvious and devastating indictment of the CCP's belligerent approach towards both Taiwan and Hong Kong.

The 'One Country, Two Systems’ agreement was supposed to guarantee Hong Kong’s freedoms and autonomy for 50 years, Xi’s recent pronouncements a crystal clear indication of the value the CCP places upon treaties and promises it makes, and made one of President Tsai of Taiwan's DPP most effective campaign slogans. “Hong Kong today, Taiwan tomorrow”. President Tsai, who represents the independence-leaning Democratic Progressive Party in Taiwan, has just won 57 percent of the vote in a three-way race that had a high turnout of 74 percent in a population of 24 million Taiwanese Chinese.

This opinion of China’s word, promises and protestations, by a substantial number of Chinese themselves, would seem to put them in a camp that you consider 'monumentally stupid and brain damaged individuals’. A statement that however might well apply to your good self.
 
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You would not only have to be monumentally stupid, to the point of actual brain damage, to believe that but you would also have to choose wilful ignorance in order to completely dismiss the growing weight of evidence ...

Which camp would you place yourself into?
You would not only have to be monumentally stupid, to the point of actual brain damage, to believe, that the WHO is completely neutral, and you would also have to choose wilful ignorance in order to completely dismiss the growing weight of evidence that suggests that the WHO is heavily influenced by China.

And before you answer that see what 'simple singer' has been appointed Goodwill Ambassador to the WHO???

Part of the speech given at her appointment...
"I am extremely pleased to announce today that the acclaimed Chinese folk singer, Ms Peng Liyuan, has agreed to support WHO’s international work on tuberculosis and HIV by serving as our Goodwill Ambassador.

With numerous honours bestowed on her nationally and internationally, she is a big bright star with a huge and respectful audience of admirers.

We are extremely proud that an actress and artist of Ms Peng’s standing will now lend her world-famous voice, and her compassionate heart, to support WHO’s work on these two diseases, where influencing people makes such an important difference."


But just who might this 'Internationally famous actress and artist’ be with a ‘world famous voice’ who we have all heard singing and acting @gaijin???

Please do enlighten us.

Does Xi Jinping ring any bells???

Wife of???

Interesting also that the WHO chose to ignore initial warnings from Taiwan about the severity of the outbreak in mainland China...and subsequently ignored the fact that Taiwan's response to COVID 19 was a blueprint for success.

Meanwhile it appears along with the various other ‘medical goodies' China has spread, yet another present is in the offing.

China now in a reporting mood.
 
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Well, according to your ‘profound’ analysis, there are massive numbers of monumentally stupid and brain damaged individuals who have deliberately chosen 'wilful ignorance’, and who have placed themselves very firmly in the camp that is increasingly of the opinion that there is growing evidence that China has a great deal to blame for the massive damage inflicted upon the globe in this latest COVID 19 pandemic... (See thread title) and I am definitely one of them.

Your answer does nothing to address the issue of source, as opposed to location of discovery. The source may, or may not, have been China but there is already evidence of the virus abroad way before it was discovered.

Furthermore it is instructive that the recent very belligerent attitude of the CCP to all who wish to have an investigation, has led to large numbers of Chinese in both Hong Kong, and Taiwan, to feel that the CCP’s attitudes, methods, and general behaviour is definitely not for them.

Hong Kong’s population has for some considerable time been in ongoing protests, and China’s recent pronouncements and abrogation of its treaty with Britain over Hong Kong’s future has resulted in a landslide victory of the anti-Beijing DPP in Taiwan. A very obvious and devastating indictment of the CCP's belligerent approach towards both Taiwan and Hong Kong.

Hong Kong's population has not been 'in protest'. A small, violent minority of, mostly, high school and university students, have been rioting. Whilst a larger number may agree with their, supposed, motivations very few supported their actions. Overwhelmingly there is support for what the new law has achived, bringing back peace to the streets, even if many of us would not have wished it in this fashion. But, so be it, the rioters, and solely the rioters, have brought this upon Hong Kong. Thankfully, most of us are smart enough to know that the effect on our day to day lives will be almost non-existent.

The 'One Country, Two Systems’ agreement was supposed to guarantee Hong Kong’s freedoms and autonomy for 50 years, Xi’s recent pronouncements a crystal clear indication of the value the CCP places upon treaties and promises it makes, and made one of President Tsai of Taiwan's DPP most effective campaign slogans. “Hong Kong today, Taiwan tomorrow”. President Tsai, who represents the independence-leaning Democratic Progressive Party in Taiwan, has just won 57 percent of the vote in a three-way race that had a high turnout of 74 percent in a population of 24 million Taiwanese Chinese.

The security could have been implemented at any time since 1997, article 23 was agreed before the handover. The rioters, and solely the rioters, have brought this upon Hong Kong.

Actually, that is not true, it isn't 'solely' the rioters. It is also the actions of outside agitators, predominantly the Americans, who have been directly funding, encouraging and orchestrating the disorder.


This opinion of China’s word, promises and protestations, by a substantial number of Chinese themselves, would seem to put them in a camp that you consider 'monumentally stupid and brain damaged individuals’. A statement that however might well apply to your good self.

The difference is I am here in Hong Kong and know, first hand, what I am talking about. You are a random mong on the other side of the world with a huge chip on your shoulder but lacking the intelligence to critically appraise the information that might make it go away.
 
Now, now! You're just a moment away from saying years of study and current first-hand experience are a match for a dank bedsit, an internet connection and badly-soiled underwear.
 
‘Crayons'...certainly about sums up your mental age.

As for time... your lack of logic or ability to refute facts more like. But then being from Hong Kong and a CCP supporter hardly surprising.

Interesting to see @endure found that brief post of yours ‘informative' and the dim orange root applauding it. Two more CCP fans?
 
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