China successfully tests hypersonic missile system

That must be where all the chips destined for new cars went
 

Sarastro

LE
Kit Reviewer
Book Reviewer
Well, that’s a bit of a bugger


in effect It makes BMD pointless, is pretty hard to counter, and they developed it first. Of course there are ways around it, but it’s going to be a pretty cheeky time.
Yes well, BMD was arguably pretty pointless previously.

MAD is the thing that provides actual BMD, and the only thing that will prevent MAD is the reliable ability to shut down the whole adversary missile complement including the submarine deterrent. Such an operation spanning multiple top secret platforms and programs across multiple nations is a Bond film plot, not a real planning scenario. There was a lot of guff about Cyber providing this option ten years ago, mostly by people who didn't understand the complexity of even a small, targeted Cyber operation against a moderately protected target, let alone a vast, dispersed operation against thousands of highly protected targets.

The nuclear option is like the highly infectious bioweapon option (yes, I know, incoming*). They haven't been used (excepting 1945) because they are uncontrollable, and will end up killing most people on both sides as well as the rest of the planet, rendering any objectives other than total human genocide moot. Since we worked out what they do, and what others possessing them mean, only an absolute madman would attempt to use them, and would require sufficient other madmen in the intricate command chains required to agree. This just doesn't describe reality, even a reality which allows for Trump or a "king of the ashes" reading of Putin or Xi.

* It's perfectly reasonable to think that COVID might have originated from a Chinese lab but that it wasn't a deliberately developed or released bioweapon.
 
I thought that international treaties banned this type of system? I imagine that the likes of CND and the Stop The War Coalition will be outraged.

Time to dust off the 1980s Strategic Défense Initiative studies?

They're only outraged about Western countries, being the Marxist agitprop organisations that they are
 

philc

LE
I have very little in-depth knowledge of the subject but this was brought to my attention, yes I understand the need to track the missiles, however it does seem the US Navy is slightly more ahead of the game than some Newspaper headlines would have us believe.



The new missile, Conventional Prompt Strike (CPS), is designed to travel at hypersonic speeds to quickly target emerging threats. Hypersonic speeds are defined as speeds above Mach 5, or 3,836 miles per hour. CPS will use a U.S. Navy booster rocket and a hypersonic weapon glide body jointly developed with the U.S. Army.
 
We can believe the Chinese, they never tell lies.

Sirry iriots! Nothing to see here, move along please.

'China’s foreign ministry has denied that the country tested a hypersonic missile that circled around the globe before hitting its target in August.

'Foreign ministry spokesperson Zhao Lijian told reporters that China tested a space vehicle in July and not a hypersonic missile. “It was not a missile, it was a space vehicle,” Mr Zhao said.'


 
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Yokel

LE
Yes well, BMD was arguably pretty pointless previously.

MAD is the thing that provides actual BMD, and the only thing that will prevent MAD is the reliable ability to shut down the whole adversary missile complement including the submarine deterrent. Such an operation spanning multiple top secret platforms and programs across multiple nations is a Bond film plot, not a real planning scenario. There was a lot of guff about Cyber providing this option ten years ago, mostly by people who didn't understand the complexity of even a small, targeted Cyber operation against a moderately protected target, let alone a vast, dispersed operation against thousands of highly protected targets.

The nuclear option is like the highly infectious bioweapon option (yes, I know, incoming*). They haven't been used (excepting 1945) because they are uncontrollable, and will end up killing most people on both sides as well as the rest of the planet, rendering any objectives other than total human genocide moot. Since we worked out what they do, and what others possessing them mean, only an absolute madman would attempt to use them, and would require sufficient other madmen in the intricate command chains required to agree. This just doesn't describe reality, even a reality which allows for Trump or a "king of the ashes" reading of Putin or Xi.

* It's perfectly reasonable to think that COVID might have originated from a Chinese lab but that it wasn't a deliberately developed or released bioweapon.

I wonder if this was part of the reasoning behind the announcement by Ben Wallace MP that the number pf British nuclear warheads was to be increased?

They're only outraged about Western countries, being the Marxist agitprop organisations that they are

Yes of course - hence my satire.

Sirry iriots! Nothing to see here, move along please.

'China’s foreign ministry has denied that the country tested a hypersonic missile that circled around the globe before hitting its target in August.

'Foreign ministry spokesperson Zhao Lijian told reporters that China tested a space vehicle in July and not a hypersonic missile. “It was not a missile, it was a space vehicle,” Mr Zhao said.'



The Communists know best - I mean Marxist doctrine did not result in millions of deaths did it?
 

Jacl

War Hero
Does this thing even need a warhead, if it just slams in using its kinetic energy to spoil someone's day?
A bit like the V2, half of its destructive energy was in fact kinetic energy. At around Mach 2 a near miss from that would rattle your eardrums a bit, even if the bang stuff didn't go bang.
 

Yokel

LE
A bit like the V2, half of its destructive energy was in fact kinetic energy. At around Mach 2 a near miss from that would rattle your eardrums a bit, even if the bang stuff didn't go bang.

True with a conventional warhead, but completely untrue if it was intended as a nuclear delivery system - which would be terrifying.

However wonder what are the development costs are? How much does something like that cost to manufacture and deploy? Can the PLA spend its way into economic crisis like the USSR did?
 
True with a conventional warhead, but completely untrue if it was intended as a nuclear delivery system - which would be terrifying.

However wonder what are the development costs are? How much does something like that cost to manufacture and deploy? Can the PLA spend its way into economic crisis like the USSR did?
Fusing must be smart to go off where intended while doing mach 5?
 
Sirry iriots! Nothing to see here, move along please.

'China’s foreign ministry has denied that the country tested a hypersonic missile that circled around the globe before hitting its target in August.

'Foreign ministry spokesperson Zhao Lijian told reporters that China tested a space vehicle in July and not a hypersonic missile. “It was not a missile, it was a space vehicle,” Mr Zhao said.'


It is supposedly a test of their re-usable space craft.

Here's their announcement of the first test over a year ago in September of 2020.
China's reusable experimental spacecraft back to landing site

Here's the announcement of this year's test in July 2021. This is apparently the test being referred to in the current news reports. It may be a further development of the one tested last year, or an alternative design. They seem to distinguish between them.
China's reusable suborbital spacecraft makes successful maiden flight

As you can see though, they were announced in the press.

Any sort of reusable space craft that glides down will inherently be hypersonic until it slows down enough because that's how fast it has to go to be in orbit. For example, the US Space Shuttle was hypersonic as were other subsequent space craft which glide down.

Given the limited information we have on it, it's probably something comparable to the US X37B.
 
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