China - and the dangerous drift to war in Asia


War Hero
You can use Google as well as me...
I don't need Google. I have all this knowledge without looking anything up. I never look anything up before posting. My memory is enough.


War Hero
Memory of what exactly, Navy days and a sailor you spent a languid afternoon with?
Sailors are over-rated, in my opinion. For hot man-on-man action, the Army is best.


War Hero
Just make it up in your own head.
Pakistan having eventually managed to seriously p*ss off the USA and lose massive amounts of military aid, then turned to China.

They are presently finding out rather belatedly that this may not have been such a smart move and is costing them dearly as they steadily become a ‘colonised' vassal state having sold their souls to the CCP.

They have also become a rather convenient route for China to create a second front with India in any conflict between India and China.

Becoming dependent in any way to China is slowly being realised by various countries as a serious mistake.
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Free right of navigation, but an indication of continued and growing PLAN submarine capabilities.

'The Japanese Maritime Self-Defence Force (SDF) confirmed at the weekend that a “foreign” submarine had been detected near Amami-Oshima between Okinawa and Kyushu. It did not surface nor identify itself. Japanese warships and land-based surveillance aircraft then tracked the submarine for several days, watching closely as it moved from the Pacific Ocean into the East China Sea.

'Japanese government sources told local media the submarine remains unidentified, but that they believed it to be Chinese. Military forces are usually deliberately vague when it comes to identifying submarines. This is to conceal the accuracy of tracking technology – such as sound, sonar and infra-red signatures. The submarine “may have tested Japanese and US anti-submarine warfare capabilities,” an SDF source told the Japan Times. Another government source reportedly said the submarine may have been “trying to stir things up as another part of China’s maritime advances” – an oblique reference to the situation in the South and East China Seas.

'The move is being interpreted as a signal by Beijing that it has advanced navigational knowledge of the Japanese seabed and submarines capable of exploiting this. In response, the Japanese SDF dispatched two warships – the destroyer Ashigara and the helicopter carrier Kaga – and P-1 maritime surveillance aircraft to follow the submarine’s movements.

'Under the United Nations’ Law of the Sea, a submarine must surface and raise its national flag while transiting territorial waters that extend 22km from the shore. This does not apply to contiguous zones – areas sharing a common border in which a nation can exert customs and immigration control extending an additional 22km beyond territorial waters. The submarine passed through a narrow 10km territorial gap between Amami-Oshima Island and the Tokara Islands. This was as close as it could come to an outright violation without actually doing so.

'It’s the first time Japan has admitted to observing a submarine in its contiguous zone some 375km northwest of the significant inhabited island of Okinawa. Beijing’s expanding submarine fleet has been of growing concern to regional navies. By 2030, it’s predicted to number some 60 quiet diesel-electric boats and about 16 nuclear-powered attack submarines.'

Meanwhile the threats to India ramp up.

“In a potential self-defence counter-attack, China will secure its own territory and not likely claim Indian territory after emerging victorious, but the battle will deeply hurt India so much that global position and economy would go backwards to decades ago.”

The CCP really does seem determined to divert attention from any COVID enquiry by some sabre rattling.

Cheap way to keep peoples attention focussed elsewhere.


I don't know how true this is, but if what we were told at school is true, surely it will negatively affect their ability to shoot straight!!
Maybe the paks, iranians and Nth Koreans can lend a hand.

I don't know how true this is, but if what we were told at school is true, surely it will negatively affect their ability to shoot straight!!
Maybe the paks, iranians and Nth Koreans can lend a hand.

It's what makes your eyes go slitty, apparently.
It should be expected that Pakistan will more than likely be involved in this latest face off between India and China. It has steadily become more and more indebted China and can expect to be used in any CCP pressure being applied to India.

Pakistan's economy has been deteriorating steadily for years made worse by it massive military spending, which until recently was bankrolled by the US, it endemic corruption, and complete lack of accountability. Chinese investments have now become a new liability with unexpectedly massive costs and COVID 19 will now be making it even worse.

Pakistan is over $100 billion in debt to foreign lenders and the largest amount of its budget goes on debt servicing and is seeking debt restructuring and waivers now on account of the pandemic instead of in the recent past demanding international assistance for fighting terrorism.

Pakistan will receive $1.4 billion from the International Monetary Fund (IMF) as part of organisation’s Rapid Financing Instrument to help finance the country’s response to the virus and also is currently in the first year of a three-year $6 billion IMF programme to help its ailing economy.

But repeatedly expecting the international community to repeatedly bail Pakistan out from one economic crisis after the other is beginning to pall.The International Monetary Fund (IMF) has been pushing Pakistan’s officials to raise taxes and power tariffs and have the Pakistani public foot the bill for their new friend's ’assistance’.

This being 'The China Pakistan Economic Corridor’ or (CPEC) a collection of infrastructure projects worth around $46 billion which was meant to deepen economic ties between China and Pakistan. The CPEC was to connect China's largest province Xinjiang with Pakistan's Gwadar port in Balochistan.

The CPEC was intended to rapidly modernise Pakistani infrastructure and strengthen its economy by the construction of modern transportation networks, energy projects and Special Economic Zones. Originally valued at 46 billion dollars but the debt quotients now said to be 80 billion to be paid by national debt and CPEC is now looking very unhealthy.
In 2018 serious doubts were being raised.

It does however mean that Pakistan is now being increasingly controlled by China and may well play an important part in China’s latest border confrontation with India as an ‘ally’ or should it be, ‘economic colony'
For information - this Chinese howitzer has been deployed to the Tibetan plateau.
Designated the PCL-181, the article mentions that it will be working with type 15 light tanks.
It seems to be based on a similar concept to the French Ceasar, a large gun on the back of a truck with the crew operating in the open.
I don't know how true this is, but if what we were told at school is true, surely it will negatively affect their ability to shoot straight!!
Maybe the paks, iranians and Nth Koreans can lend a hand.

So they really expect us to believe the Chinese ability to shoot straight depends on whether Sum Yung Gy is cracking one out
it's kinda crazy this thread is still alive from 2013
That's because it's only a drift to war, not a rush. Hopefully, the thread will go on for years to come.