China - and the dangerous drift to war in Asia

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China seems to be looking for trouble...and finding it. The recent aggressive attitude of the CCP appears to be reaping a whirlwind.

Tensions along Sino-Indian border ramping up, Hong Kong brewing nicely, Taiwan pissed off, along with Philippines, Indonesia and Vietnam, Australia not happy, Western countries want an investigation on COVID 19.

China’s own economy slowing down, 2nd wave of COVID with its own population beginning to see a Party that expects the people to sacrifice themselves for it, rather that a party that serves the people.

Just another self serving bunch in power that has no respect for individual rights to the basics of... life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
 

BuggerAll

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China seems to be looking for trouble...and finding it. The recent aggressive attitude of the CCP appears to be reaping a whirlwind.

Tensions along Sino-Indian border ramping up, Hong Kong brewing nicely, Taiwan pissed off, along with Philippines, Indonesia and Vietnam, Australia not happy, Western countries want an investigation on COVID 19.

China’s own economy slowing down, 2nd wave of COVID with its own population beginning to see a Party that expects the people to sacrifice themselves for it, rather that a party that serves the people.

Just another self serving bunch in power that has no respect for individual rights to the basics of... life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
The only thing I would take issue with you that it’s not China. It’s the Xi and the CCP. They are not selected by or representatives of China or the Chinese people. They have no mandate.

We should be very clear that we don’t want conflict with China and it’s people but that the criminals running the place may be going that way.
 
The only thing I would take issue with you that it’s not China. It’s the Xi and the CCP. They are not selected by or representatives of China or the Chinese people. They have no mandate.
Thought I had made that clear "with its own population beginning to see a Party that expects the people to sacrifice themselves for it, rather that a party that serves the people.” but yes it is Xi and the CCP who are the problem.
 
China’s CCP having vociferously protested it’s objections to any inquiry on its part in the spread of COVID 19, threatened those who continue in trying to have one, is now falling back on a tried and tested way of diverting world attention.

The threat of war with India...that contains the possibility of escalating to a nuclear exchange.

ie We will give you something bigger to think about than the economic devastation you have all just suffered.
 

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China’s CCP having vociferously protested it’s objections to any inquiry on its part in the spread of COVID 19, threatened those who continue in trying to have one, is now falling back on a tried and tested way of diverting world attention.

The threat of war with India...that contains the possibility of escalating to a nuclear exchange.

ie We will give you something bigger to think about than the economic devastation you have all just suffered.
You might be right about their thinking but I think they’ll find the rest of the world (that matters) will let them divert themselves.

Mr Putin will back China. A friend they could well do without.
 
Meanwhile as India begins to square up to this latest provocation, who should take advantage but Pakistan.

Noteworthy that China has a consistent record of support for Pakistan in regional issues. Pakistan's military depends heavily on Chinese armaments. There are ongoing major joint projects in both economic and military fields. China has and is supplying assistance in Pakistan's nuclear program. In recent years the US has grown disenchanted with Pakistan and reduced military aid, and China has been happy to take over as a sponsor.

Hardly surprising if China now wishes to remind India that it could potentially be facing a two pronged attack.

Australia has been facing a massive increases in cyber attacks.

Uk firms have received direct threats from China.


There has been, and presently is a massive ramping up of the danger of war with China.
 
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mcphee1948

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If China started a nuclear war against America, could it win?
 

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If China started a nuclear war against America, could it win?
Depends what you call win. Both sides would lose. The wuestion would be whether either of them could recover.

Mr Putin might hope to be the winner. The Führerin in Brussels might also hope to be a winner after some crocodile tears.
 

mcphee1948

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Depends what you call win. Both sides would lose. The wuestion would be whether either of them could recover.

Mr Putin might hope to be the winner. The Führerin in Brussels might also hope to be a winner after some crocodile tears.
I see what you mean. A nuclear war between the US and China would heavily damage both countries.
Leaving them reduced to the status of second or third rate powers, while they struggled to rebuild and recover. That might take 20 or 30 years.

During that time, Putin's still fully-intact Russia, would be the strongest country on the planet. And being heavily nuclear-armed, it could exert its will to achieve world domination.

That's an extremely attractive prospect, from Putin's viewpoint. Do you think Putin is aiming to precipitate a US/China conflict?
 
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Nobody wins anything if it goes nuclear. Covid, BLM? I only hope that if it comes anywhere near that then the US pulls all its special toys out of the box.
 

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I see what you mean. A nuclear war between the US and and China would heavily damage both countries.
Leaving them reduced to the status of second or third rate powers, while they struggled to rebuild and recover. That might take 20 or 30 years.

During that time, Putin's still fully-intact Russia, would be the strongest country on the planet. And being heavily nuclear-armed, it could exert its will to achieve world domination.

That's an extremely attractive prospect, from Putin's viewpoint. Do you think Putin is aiming to precipitate a US/China conflict?
I don’t know enough about Putin. He could see it as a win but if the Americans even suspected he was behind a nuclear attack on them they might smoke Russia as well.
 
I don’t know enough about Putin. He could see it as a win but if the Americans even suspected he was behind a nuclear attack on them they might smoke Russia as well.
Correct; if the Americans are going down, they'll take the Chinese and Russians (and North Koreans and Iranians) with them.
 

mcphee1948

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Nobody wins anything if it goes nuclear. Covid, BLM? I only hope that if it comes anywhere near that then the US pulls all its special toys out of the box.
But,
Correct; if the Americans are going down, they'll take the Chinese and Russians (and North Koreans and Iranians) with them.
Could the Americans attack China and Russia successfully at the same time.
China and Russia have more up-to-date nuclear weapons than America. If you do a little research, you'll find that the American weapons are old and were built half a century ago.
 
But,
Could the Americans attack China and Russia successfully at the same time.
China and Russia have more up-to-date nuclear weapons than America. If you do a little research, you'll find that the American weapons are old and were built half a century ago.
Some of the delivery systems might be old, the warheads themselves are not. The US SSBN fleet is their second strike capability.
 

mcphee1948

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Some of the delivery systems might be old, the warheads themselves are not. The US SSBN fleet is their second strike capability.
The US SSBN fleet has been dramatically reduced. It used to have 41 submarines. How many has it got today?
 

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