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Child poverty

#1
I heard on the news on R4 today that child poverty is up. The interesting thing about it though was the way that they described child poverty.

Apparently child poverty is not that the child does not have enough food etc. no. Its when these children do not get what other children take for granted. So any child who say does not have a bike is in child poverty? Or a skateboard? Or a Wii?

Does anyone have the proper definition of child poverty?
 
#2
To me, child poverty is one of those small fly infested African sprogs that Madonna keeps wanting to adopt and keep as a pet.

Child poverty in the UK? Naa. Don't think so. We have far too many do-gooder orgs to stop any child being in true poverty.
 
#3
I am just back from the DRC.They have some real poverty there.

A person cannot be 'raised' out of poverty (not that it exsists in this country),a person must be given the CHOICE to better themself.

Handouts are for the weak and the willing.

And Sophie Ellis Bextor is still looking hotter than most human woman.(She was knocking around at yesterday's demo for those who were wondering).
 
#4
Them days we were glad to have the price of a cup of tea, a cup of cold tea. Without milk or sugar, or tea. In a cracked cup and all....
 
#6
"Cold tea without milk or sugar in a cracked cup, by heck, thee were

lucky"

Don't start 'em all off on that Vampire, the buggers will write pages of it

Besides, it's off thread. :wink:
 
#8
heard it on the news

if a family have to live on £10 or less a day any chilfren in the family are classed as living in poverty

who thought that one up ?
 
#9
RE: child poverty in this country.

A close family member of mine works for a UK based charity.

Children under 10 acting as carers for parents unable to work due to grand mal Epilepsy.
Entire families being donated £20 in Asda vouchers to provide a christmas for 6+ people.
Social workers appealing to said charity to provide beds for children under 10 who have been sleeping on bare mattresses in bare bedrooms.

I'd call that ******* poverty. Charity starts at home.
 
#10
Benny687 said:
RE: child poverty in this country.

A close family member of mine works for a UK based charity.

Children under 10 acting as carers for parents unable to work due to grand mal Epilepsy.
Entire families being donated £20 in Asda vouchers to provide a christmas for 6+ people.
Social workers appealing to said charity to provide beds for children under 10 who have been sleeping on bare mattresses in bare bedrooms.
A few of the many reasons why Unicef rated Britain as the worst country in the developed world to raise children. LINK

Benny687 said:
I'd call that * poverty. Charity starts at home.
Sadly, no it doesn't. I'm afraid spending money on Brits just doesn't give Gordon that warm feeling in his underpants that he gets from announcing a billion quids worth of aid for some African sh1thole that nobody's ever heard of.

Take Swaziland - one of the poorest countries in the world. 1 in 4 have AIDS and most of the population depend on food handouts from charities to survive.

The UK's entire foreign aid donation to the country last year was used to subsidise a $10 million 40th birthday celebration for the king. Previous years' donations have been used to buy a half million quid Maybach limmo for the king and a fleet of top of the range BMWs for his many wives.

The Foreign Office turns a blind eye to how the money is spent so Gordon can keep feeling good about himself.
 
#11
Don't know how many here saw Korean orphans. Wearing only a vest that was always too short in winters where we had layers of clothing and were still frozen. Shoeless in snow two feet deep. Snot down to their chin frozen like icicles. I would deem that child poverty. Even a sybill stole food and clothing for them and I have no shame in that theft.
 
#12
basso said:
"Cold tea without milk or sugar in a cracked cup, by heck, thee were

lucky"

Don't start 'em all off on that Vampire, the buggers will write pages of it

Besides, it's off thread. :wink:
You was lucky (i feel a monty python sketch coming on )
 
#13
when i was a kid i had to get up half an hour before i went to bed, and lick the road clean with me tongue or me dad would belt me wi a brocken botle......kids today don't know they're born...feckless wnakers
 
#14
What is child poverty?
The government definition is household income of less than 60 per cent of the median, or population midpoint, for that household type.

What does this mean?
An income of £222 per week (£11,544 per year) for a lone parent with two children aged 5 and 14 or £300 per week (£15,600 per year) for a couple with two children aged 5 and 14.

What has the Government done?
In 1999 it set a target of eradicating child poverty by 2020, having halved it by 2010 and reduced it by a quarter by 2005. Since 1996-97, child poverty has fallen by 600,000 before housing costs, which is now the preferred measure. However, the Government still missed the 2004-05 target and the latest child poverty figures, published in March, show that child poverty actually rose between 2004-05 and 2005-06

How many children are now living in poverty?
Government figures show that child poverty now stands at 2.8 million, which represents 22 per cent of all children in Britain.

Source: Child Poverty Action Group

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article2759859.ece
 
#15
doofy said:
heard it on the news

if a family have to live on £10 or less a day any chilfren in the family are classed as living in poverty

who thought that one up ?
The report I heard had it that families that have £10 or less disposable income i.e. after bills, food, rent, etc., are classed as living in poverty.

The biggest problem is that nowadays the common definition of poverty relates to opportunities in society rather than material wealth. When you're thinking in terms of global relief efforts, this is fair enough from a certain point of view because you have to take into account that £10 in Malawi goes a hell of a lot further than in UK.

Unfortunately it does let the lunatic fringe throw out some bizarre ideas about what social exclusion within the UK really is. Someone living on an outlying housing estate or rural village who's too poor to run a car and has to rely on the one bus every other hour to get anywhere, well that's going to have a definite effect on whether or not they can e.g. take up a place at Uni or get to an apprenticeship post. That's social exclusion, much as I hate the term. Someone not being able to afford the same stuff that all their mates have - that's just that horrible thing we call 'Life' on my planet.
 
#16
I wonder what the stats would look like if you worked out how many of these cases of poverty were caused by the parents spending most of their dole money on booze, fags, the lottery and Sky TV.

Poverty is not not having a Playstation, it s not having food or a home. I suspect there are rather fewer cases of true poverty in the UK.
 
#17
medman82 said:
when i was a kid i had to get up half an hour before i went to bed, and lick the road clean with me tongue or me dad would belt me wi a brocken botle......kids today don't know they're born...feckless wnakers
Luxary!
 
#19
msr said:
What is child poverty?
The government definition is household income of less than 60 per cent of the median, or population midpoint, for that household type.

What does this mean?
An income of £222 per week (£11,544 per year) for a lone parent with two children aged 5 and 14 or £300 per week (£15,600 per year) for a couple with two children aged 5 and 14.
Excuse my ignorance, but why the median and what does household type mean? Is that how many adults/kids live there?
 
#20
Benny687 said:
RE: child poverty in this country.

A close family member of mine works for a UK based charity.

Children under 10 acting as carers for parents unable to work due to grand mal Epilepsy.
Entire families being donated £20 in Asda vouchers to provide a christmas for 6+ people.
Social workers appealing to said charity to provide beds for children under 10 who have been sleeping on bare mattresses in bare bedrooms.

I'd call that * poverty. Charity starts at home.

Go On Entitled To web site and pump in the figures. You will see what such families are entitled to. Charities can give things that are not taken into account in the benefits system calaculating benefits rates (otherwise it would be an income to be set off against benefits). Hence the social worker and charity do gooder take on things.

Take our last tenant. Got pregnant by a lad whose parents met her parents and they sat down and worked out how she would not declare him to CSA and he would pay her money the social did not know about then live with her while she claimed housing benefits etc. Slung her out of our property a couple of months ago. On paper poor in practice better off than most working people in that area.

The tenant before her. Claimed Incapacity so as to avoid declaring father of her two babies to CSA. Got higher rate incapacity because of her age, child tax credit housing and council tax benefits and child benefits amounting to £360 pw. Moved the father of her babies in undeclared and he was earning 35 grand a year at a casino.

Look on Gumtree accommodation wanted. You will find parents advertising for houses to rent for their son's girlfriends "She can get housing benefits" one recently said now she is expecting my boys second baby I want her closer to me so I can care for babies with her she can get housing benefits.

Poverty is in the heads of social workers and charity workers who have a psychological need to be admired for caring ... "Look how much I care" all with the Denise Robinson syndrome. Gullible twats I am afraid. And the statisticians are basing their figures on hopelessly underestimating the fiddling going on.

But if we get a tenant caught fiddling guess who the councils chase for repayment of housing benefits (wherther or not the tenant has pocketed it and run with rent arrears"

Put an advert for a house to rent on Gumtree and wait to see what email applications you get. Or better still ask the charity workert to do it. And learn that it is like a prison (University of Crime) out there (University of benefits fiddling and poverty pleading and socia worker manipulating skills)

A soldier. Good looking lad. Big muscular. gets aphone call from his ex "I am at uneee and homesick and only twenty miles from where you stationed" .... zappo and leaves unee to be like her mum a single parent on benefits. Puts to soldier that he not pay through CSA but top up her benefits without CSA knowing who the father is. Brains still in bollockls his next was in her late twenties with a stated ambition to have two kids by the same father. Again no CSA. She works part time to claim tax credits so as not to be complied to co-operate with CSA. Any money soldier gives her is to top up her benefits and tax credits.

Poverty my ar-e
 

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