Child-on-child sexual assaults

#1
Source.

Boy charged with rape of 8-year old boy

LONDON (Reuters) - A 12-year-old boy has been charged with the rape of an eight-year-old boy in Wigan, Greater Manchester, police said on Friday.

The boy was charged with two counts of rape, seven counts of sexual assault, and three counts of engaging a child in sexual activity.

The boy will appear at Wigan Magistrates Court on Friday.

It is believed that the offences took place within the last six months, police said in a statement.
Speechless.
 
#3
I have to echo Dozy and have been wondering what must have gone wrong in that juvenile brain. Something must be wrong, it cannot be sane, it must be insanity of some sort. 12...

I hope. :(
 
#5
He should be tried as an adult.

Put the sick little child in nick for a long, long time.
 
#8
Can a male be charged with rape on a male. I was on the understanding that rape is a gender specific crime (genetic male on genetic female), part of the definition being that the penis enters the vagina.

I'm by no means condoning what this child did, just curious as to whether the law has changed. If it has he deserves all that can be thrown at him. If it hasn't still throw everything at him.

http://www.scottish.parliament.uk/business/research/pdf_res_notes/rn01-46.pdf

I know this is Scottish law but I believe England and Wales are similar.
 
#9
hmm, i think it depends on what actually happened. Not condoning anything, but it could just be over developed fumblings made to sound worse by official charges and the press.
Ont he otherhand if it is as bad as it sounds then i agree that the parents have to step up to something!
 
#10
If I recall a convo with my brother (a policeman) correctly, penetration of the vagina, anus or mouth with any implement is classed as rape, hence a female gang member being charged & convicted of rape last year some time.
 
#11
Goku said:
I strongly believe that the actions of a 12yr old are the responsibility of the parents.
Specifics of this case aside, I knew damn well at a young age (certainly under 10) largely what was right & wrong & I'm no smarter than the average person. Fair enough, parental guidance (or lack of) plays a part, but I cannot believe that the perpetrator of these assaults wasn't aware that what they were doing was wrong. As with adult rape, I suspect that this, if true, has more to do with the expression of dominance over the victim than sexual pleasure, but whatever the motive I will be seriously annoyed if the defence is "He's a child & didn't know what he was doing." :evil:
 
#12
A kid that age is only going to think forced sex is acceptable if its already been introduced to it by an adult - I'd lay a substantial bet it'll turn out he's been seriously abused for years, probably by a family member (statistically most likely case scenario).
 
#13
Eradicate the whole line, no execuses, hunt them down and remove them from the gene pool.
 
#14
DozyBint said:
whatever the motive I will be seriously annoyed if the defence is "He's a child & didn't know what he was doing."
The solicitors will try, but 10 is the magic age for criminal responsibility. At 12, the police still have to prove he knew what he did was wrong, but there's a tried and tested routine for doing this through questioning and there really shouldn't be a problem. Mental instability (perhaps, as a previous poster has suggested, as a result of abuse he himself has suffered) may be a mitigating factor, but I seriously doubt he'll just get away with it.
 
#15
Mister_Angry said:
A kid that age is only going to think forced sex is acceptable if its already been introduced to it by an adult - I'd lay a substantial bet it'll turn out he's been seriously abused for years, probably by a family member (statistically most likely case scenario).
Agreed, being that there's oodles of empirical data to support this argument, but it's still not right nor excusable. Whether the attacker is an abused child himself or not he must be punished for his crimes. Alongside this punishment there needs to be education, rehabilitation & dare I say it, counselling. I'm not a fan of tree-hugging counsellors, but in instances of child physical & sexual assaults I think that counselling is an appropriate tool. I’m of the opinion that left to their own devices, a la Lord of the Flies, children are evil creatures and they need boundaries to be enforced.
 
#16
well - it's sexual assault - sexual assault and battery or something like that, or sodomy, rather than "rape" per se.
 
#17
Mister_Angry said:
A kid that age is only going to think forced sex is acceptable if its already been introduced to it by an adult - I'd lay a substantial bet it'll turn out he's been seriously abused for years, probably by a family member (statistically most likely case scenario).
Definately peer abuse is no new thing. It has been happening as long as carers have been abusing children.
In this case I say blame the parents.

However I agree with Dozy on this one some sort of punishment coupled with counselling is the order of the day. And a good hard look at other children in the family!
 
#18
In my day kids just beat sh1t out of each other, shafting was sumthing for the future and then with girls. Mind you the boy is a pie eater which explains much.
john
 
#19
Easy and fair solution.

All trials by jury, all sentencing by jury. Judges and magistrates have all powers of sentencing removed and the public decides how long people spend inside for their crimes, regardless of age. Judges and magistrates give guidance but with no power at all to reduce sentence. Parole is also decided by jury.

Watch the crime figures rocket down within 12 months and crimes like this reduce dramatically due to the scum that start the chain of abuse being removed from society for ever.
 
#20
Whilst this particular offense is way over the top, I do have problems with the idea that essentially we should throw away the key on a twelve year old. Kids today have a far greater awareness of the mechanics of sex without the necessary understanding about relationships. I'm sure that many of us have done things (not necessarily sexual) that, with hindsight, we wish we had never done.

As pointed out in another post in this thread, the likelyhood is that the boy was sexually abused himself. Do we condemn him to prison, or treatment in a secure unit until he is likely to be no threat?

Normally, for law and order issues, I am with the 'lock'em away forever' group, but in this case I do wonder if this would be the correct course of action.
 

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