Chilcot Inquiry thread

Discussion in 'Current Affairs, News and Analysis' started by RCT(V), May 21, 2014.

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  1. We may have a different definition of 'friend'.
    My one is of someone who will stand by despite disagreeing with you and despite you having no job etc.
    It is quite possibly something Socialists don't understand as they see people as objects.
    Quite possibly why they have no concept of free will.

  2. My bold, more likely to attract sycophants who want to use that "friendship" to further their own cause.
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  3. No we don't, you know exactly what I mean- be potless and ugly like me and see how many friends you have.
  4. Go on down to your local Moto Guzzi Club meeting.
    We throw dyslexic into the mix as well.
    Perhaps I am lucky as I have never had any problems making friends.
  5. Two things spring to mind from what I have read of Chilcot.

    1. Blair's promise to Bush - "we are with you whatever". This was an open ended commitment regardless of the consequences and without approval of the UK Parliament. Possibly one of the stupidest made by any PM for a very long time.

    2. Blair's "emotionalism" just proved he was unfit to be PM. To misquote Mark Twain "Don't let the facts get in the way of my emotions".
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  6. He obviously never understood the implications of the SEA and the Europeans didn't either otherwise they'd have chucked us out and that would have been a disast..........Oh hang on a minute. Then we wouldn't have have had Lisbon
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  7. Chilcot's comment on the note:
    "You mustn't say that!"

    CS speak for "You F@#$$# Cretin!"
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  8. seaweed

    seaweed LE Book Reviewer

    The qn to me is did Chilcot (and Blair) not grasp that the battlefield WMD that Saddam might or might not have had at 45 minutes notice were NO THREAT to the UK, and were only a threat to our people if we started a war and thus were on the battlefield? Nobody with any authority called Blair out on this at the time although it is beyond belief that serving senior officers couldn't graps what a retired officer could see from his armchair.
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  9. The issue was, I think, deliberately fudged for the ignorant and/or hard of thinking on the Labour benches.

    Are chemical weapons a WMD? Yes.
    Does Saddam have some chemicals left ? Yes.
    How quickly can they be deployed? 45 minutes.
    Are they any risk to the UK or UK forces? Potentially.
    If the questions had been phrased 'slightly differently'
    Are chemical weapons a WMD? Depends on the quantity.
    Does Saddam have any chemicals left? Probably.
    How quickly can they be deployed? Well, about 45 minutes to get some mortar bombs ready.
    Are they any risk to the UK or UK forces? Not really.

    Blair hid behind intelligence secrecy and the general ignorance of CBRN and military affairs on the Labour benches at the time.
    Why the senior military officers of the day didn't say anything is another matter.
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  10. You don't get to senior positions by slagging of the bosses!

    Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk
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  11. Cold_Collation

    Cold_Collation LE Book Reviewer

    No, you're back to Campbell and 'tightening the language' in order to strengthen the message.

    It didn't strengthen the message. It fundamentally changed it. Changed it to the point where truth was compromised.
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  12. Blair loves the term 'dealt with'.

    As far as he is concerned today is irrelevant as everything to do with the Iraq War was 'dealt with' in the earlier inquiry. End of story.

  13. Hmm.. its a pity Blair hasn't been dealt with with "extreme prejudice", to use the old CIA term.
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  14. seaweed

    seaweed LE Book Reviewer

    If only senior officers had sent carefully worded minutes upstairs explaining the reality and kept copies for Chilcot!

    AFAIK the invasion was in 2004. 1SL in 2002 was Admiral West. Ennobled by Gordon Brown 2007. Before becoming 1SL he was Chief of Defence Intelligence.
  15. @seaweed,
    My bold.
    This very old BBC article suggests that cyprus (and therefore British personnel) could have been hit by some of the missiles in his arsenal.
    BBC NEWS | Middle East | Scud: Iraq's ballistic missile
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