Chieftain MBT - "Smokin'"

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..you must have followed 3 R ANGLIAN into Alanbrook?
I honestly thought it was a battalion of QUEENS we followed (and a fellow Transfer-In I worked with at Worthy Down and IBM tended to back it up), but if you say it was a battalion of Angle Irons, that's an ironic symmetry.

At Catterick 75-6, we were next to a battalion of Angle Irons and again in Tidworth 76-7. To have followed 3 R Angle Irons in Alanbrook would completed the prial.
 
By the time i was at Barker (5 Ord) complete with Chieftains (failing to keep up with the Stollys) trying to get up the hill outside the Barracks to the Goldrung Trg Area around 89-90, the Rotary Cows were long gone.
That hill has a lot of history, back in the mid 70's the QRIH had a crash out and as a Chieftain turned out of the camp to move up the hill a german mercedes benz taxi came screaming down the road and hit the tank head on or should I say its head on into the side of the tank, it moved the tank 2 inch sideways, end result was obvious for the taxi driver.
 

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That hill has a lot of history, back in the mid 70's the QRIH had a crash out and as a Chieftain turned out of the camp to move up the hill a german mercedes benz taxi came screaming down the road and hit the tank head on or should I say its head on into the side of the tank, it moved the tank 2 inch sideways, end result was obvious for the taxi driver.
Happened pretty much every exercise I did in BAOR with 15/19H if tanks were involved. Usually a suddenly-shortened Merc and numerous suddenly-shortened lives too.
 
I never found out what the cause was. But the engine was screaming louder the normal and the tank was kicking up and down as gears shifted. I only had a few seconds to observe it before it hit the car park and believe it or not a VW beetle got between the tracks and stopped it as it pushed the Beetle up a grassy hill.
Saw a similar incident on an FTX but the pack blew before the tank did to much damage!
 
. Its NATO fuel as such but doesnt necessarily mean the BFI then becomes a NATO asset. B
Yeh, I meant the fuel was still a NATO asset not the BFI itself. I recall being told something (on a visit to 4 Pet Dep) along the lines that if we piped it directly into the bladders it was NATO, but if we transported via tankers it was ours.

It was a long time ago so memory might be fading.
 
One of my first night's in Fally in '75 I was introduced to the Wee House. I had to drink a very small burning drink that felt like it ripped my throat out! God knows what it was but my throat was still burning the following morning! I guess it must've had chilli in it. Does ayone remember what those drinks were?
Probably Ratzeputz, a local speciality with extracts of Root Ginger.

We used to line them up in shot glasses in Mic Mac's in Bergen. The record was probably less than 10



Ratzeputz - Wikipedia
 
Thanks again for the knowledge!

Jerry cans. Rolling replen every night on exercise. Trundling off into the dark to fill up then leave a big pile of empty cans for the MT guys to clear up. I remember one night after the replen, we reversed into a fire position into a slight up hill slope. One of the fuel caps wasn't secured properly and the poor old driver got soaked with diesel that'd collected around the turret rim. He was whipped back to camp sharpish for a degunking. Our loader's pobably still got the bruise!

One of my first night's in Fally in '75 I was introduced to the Wee House. I had to drink a very small burning drink that felt like it ripped my throat out! God knows what it was but my throat was still burning the following morning! I guess it must've had chilli in it. Does ayone remember what those drinks were?
First night in Muenster 1970/71, persuaded by an experienced (!) ex-RE Lance Jack who had transferred into REME as a welder/metalsmith, to go out for a beer in a pleasant little gastatte just across the cobbled road bridge over the Ems Canal. I thought I was holding my own with the beer until in walks two SNCOs from the LAD I was about to join the following day. They persuaded me that I needed to sober up a bit and suggested I drink a quaint little dry ginger concoction called Ratzeputz-or Rats Piss, because after one slug, it would burn your internal organs out. I also blame that drink for getting me thrown out of a moving Taxi, when one of my companions told me to call the driver a piece of Afterbirth in German....and I thought I was being polite.:mad:
 
On my first QUICK TRAIN in Muenster, the Regiment bugged out about 0200 hours, all expecting to head for our wartime hides on the Handorf Training Area, as per usual. This time all three Squadrons of Chieftain Mk 2 made it. Being keen, I was on one of the 434s, with all my exercise kit as per a list I'd been given, and my personal weapon, an LMG. The 434 would normally carry a spare L60 pack in the cargo well in case of breakdown, but this time we didn't bother. We got to our hides and cammed up waiting for the Brigade staff officers from 4th (Guards) Armoured Brigade to come and inspect us so we could then return to barracks. Unfortunately, the majority of the old and bold in the Regiment had stuffed their 38 pattern large packs with blankets and nothing else. When the officers inspected personal kit I was OK, and got away without a bollocking, meaning our crew could return back to Swinton Barracks for breakfast. The remainder who had dropped themselves in it had to remain in their hides until that evening.

On another QUICK TRAIN, instead of driving to Handorf, we drove, via the autobahn and GCP escorts, all the way to Soltau for a three week exercise. I would like to say all the Chiefy's made it in one piece, but four ended up being towed by the Squadron Centurion ARVs (3 Sabre Squadrons and 1 from the main LAD) A fifth Chieftain had its final drive disabled and was towed on an A Frame by our brand new 10 ton AEC Recovery vehicle.

The 5th Skins, who were in York Barracks couldn't even get all of their Chieftain's out of the tank park, so resorted to deploying their 6 Mk 3 Dri-Clads which were only supposed to be uncovered in time of war.
 
^ I'd go for Escorial (sp)^ That was a put a match to it job.
 
I thought 25 Field shared Barker between 77-82. 39 Field down the road at Dempsey.
I was posted to Barker Barracks in either October or November 1977 to join J Bty RHA who were converting to Swingfire. They moved into Barker at the same time as 25 Fd Regt, who came down from Munsterlager. I'm not sure who 25 took over from but I'm sure that QRIH were the resident tanky mob at the other end of the barracks.
 
The Royal Armoured Corps still had the anti-tank role with FV438 Swingfire during the early 70s until it was handed over to the Royal Artillery for a few years before returning to the Royal Armoured Corps as an upgraded missile on the FV102 Striker, I believe.
 
I was posted to Barker Barracks in either October or November 1977 to join J Bty RHA who were converting to Swingfire. They moved into Barker at the same time as 25 Fd Regt, who came down from Munsterlager. I'm not sure who 25 took over from but I'm sure that QRIH were the resident tanky mob at the other end of the barracks.
Don't know who 25 Fd took over from but the subsequently morphed into 3RHA, with J Bty joining them as a gun bty passing their 438's to 3RTR all happened overnight one day Fd Arty next day RHA without any reducation.
 
The Royal Armoured Corps still had the anti-tank role with FV438 Swingfire during the early 70s until it was handed over to the Royal Artillery for a few years before returning to the Royal Armoured Corps as an upgraded missile on the FV102 Striker, I believe.
J Bty had both the 438 and Striker. No idea haw many 438 troops but there was only one troop of Strikers.

Don't know who 25 Fd took over from but the subsequently morphed into 3RHA, with J Bty joining them as a gun bty passing their 438's to 3RTR all happened overnight one day Fd Arty next day RHA without any reducation.
I was only with J Bty for about 6 months before I managed to escape to Minden to join the Cheshire's LAD. Glad to get away!
 
On my first QUICK TRAIN in Muenster, the Regiment bugged out about 0200 hours, all expecting to head for our wartime hides on the Handorf Training Area, as per usual. This time all three Squadrons of Chieftain Mk 2 made it. Being keen, I was on one of the 434s, with all my exercise kit as per a list I'd been given, and my personal weapon, an LMG. The 434 would normally carry a spare L60 pack in the cargo well in case of breakdown, but this time we didn't bother. We got to our hides and cammed up waiting for the Brigade staff officers from 4th (Guards) Armoured Brigade to come and inspect us so we could then return to barracks. Unfortunately, the majority of the old and bold in the Regiment had stuffed their 38 pattern large packs with blankets and nothing else. When the officers inspected personal kit I was OK, and got away without a bollocking, meaning our crew could return back to Swinton Barracks for breakfast. The remainder who had dropped themselves in it had to remain in their hides until that evening.

On another QUICK TRAIN, instead of driving to Handorf, we drove, via the autobahn and GCP escorts, all the way to Soltau for a three week exercise. I would like to say all the Chiefy's made it in one piece, but four ended up being towed by the Squadron Centurion ARVs (3 Sabre Squadrons and 1 from the main LAD) A fifth Chieftain had its final drive disabled and was towed on an A Frame by our brand new 10 ton AEC Recovery vehicle.

The 5th Skins, who were in York Barracks couldn't even get all of their Chieftain's out of the tank park, so resorted to deploying their 6 Mk 3 Dri-Clads which were only supposed to be uncovered in time of war.
In English - i come up with HSTs and MK4s Class 91s which is great as I love trains but...
 
In English - i come up with HSTs and MK4s Class 91s which is great as I love trains but...
Dri-Clads were the latest Mark of the Chieftain Tank at the time (normally Mk 3) and a small number (normally 2 per Sabre Squadron) were held by each Regiment under protective covers, with the vehicle Master Switch linked by separate electric Master Cables, away from the Squadron Hangars. They were not supposed to be deployed except in time of war, and would only be started up for maintenance and for short periods, but not moved. I do not know if these tanks were retained when BAOR went on to 10 Type 57 Regiments, but that was the status quo when I served in a Tank Regiment until 1974.
 
Warwick County Fire Brigade had them in their trucks and had no end of overheating and blow ups. After extensive investigation the problem was found to be... overheating. No end of cooling system upgrades cured it, the cause was down to the truck fitting did not have the direct airflow over the block that was present in the car installations.
They certainly did! I used to crew one at Coleshill Fire Station from 81-83 before I moved to Nuneaton Fire Station. They were Bedford TK built by HCB Angus. Massive 2250 lpm pump just for Kingsbury Oil Terminal (God forbid!) Cracking engine. I don't recall any serious problems with the engine but maybe as it was '81 they'd been sorted? Used to go like a bat out of hell down Packington Bank on the M6.

Anyway, back to thread...…...
 
I never found out what the cause was. But the engine was screaming louder the normal and the tank was kicking up and down as gears shifted. I only had a few seconds to observe it before it hit the car park and believe it or not a VW beetle got between the tracks and stopped it as it pushed the Beetle up a grassy hill.
Sounds like a runaway pack. Happened to me too at Fally, walking in front at slow speed as we were required to do, I heard the Chieftain starting to rev and could hear the tracks going faster, looked round to see the driver waving frantically. It took off, slewed round onto the apron outside the hanger, the revs got higher and higher and everyone dived into the hangers - BANG - massive plume of oil and diesel must've gone straight up 40 feet in the air, followed by silence and hands wiping backsides - :D
 

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I was posted to Barker Barracks in either October or November 1977 to join J Bty RHA who were converting to Swingfire. They moved into Barker at the same time as 25 Fd Regt, who came down from Munsterlager. I'm not sure who 25 took over from but I'm sure that QRIH were the resident tanky mob at the other end of the barracks.
You provided our ATGM assets throughout my time.

Have you seen your Striker at Bovy, subtly grafittied by my old mucker Steve Davies RIP, GW Troop 15/19H, who got a job at Bovy and promptly marked the J Bty marked Striker and the Mark 5 Ferret with GW Troop 15/19H stickers?

Stickers were still there last time I looked.
 

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The Royal Armoured Corps still had the anti-tank role with FV438 Swingfire during the early 70s until it was handed over to the Royal Artillery for a few years before returning to the Royal Armoured Corps as an upgraded missile on the FV102 Striker, I believe.
As I've recalled a few times here, GW Troop, B Sqn, 15/19H fired "the last" RAC Swingfires from Mark 5 Ferrets at Otterburn in July 1977.

I was aware that at some future point but after my time, RAC got them back.
 

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