Chechnya. Please discuss it here.

#1
Recently some our frineds have mentioned Chechnya in the context of other events. I believe that it deserves a separate thread.

Now let's look at BBC's agitprop

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/7371718.stm

Chechya's conflict recovery
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/7367956.stm

Rebuilding Chechnya's villages
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8002148.stm

Russia 'ends Chechnya operation'
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8060624.stm

Grozny is no longer terrible. It is not war-torn, it is not shattered, it is not even mildly depressing. Today Grozny is, on the surface, one of the most pleasant provincial cities in Russia.

The transformation from "most destroyed city on earth" to a city of tree-lined avenues, well groomed parks and pearly white apartment buildings, is nothing short of astonishing.
What do the Chechens (the majority) think about Russia, They hate it.

In quiet conversations, the Chechen men told me they do not forgive Russia for what it has done to them, they hate the Russian military with a deep loathing, and above all there will be no forgiveness for Vladimir Putin, the man who ordered the assault that killed so many of their kin.
Who would expect anythingelse? But time is the best doctor.
 
#2
I'd be seriously pissed off if someone used Tos-1 Artillery on civilian populations.
 
#4
KGB_resident said:
http://www.military-today.com/artillery/tos1.htm

TOS-1 (Buratino) was used in Chechnya as I understand against armed separatists.
Over 30 civilians were killed in the attack, which witnesses said produced unusually yellow flames, and more than 200 others suffered various degrees of burns.

Civilians or Armed separatists,depending on who you believe.
 
#5
Surfer_Smithy said:
I'd be seriously pissed off if someone used Tos-1 Artillery on civilian populations.
I think we should buy some. Cracking piece of kit and cheaper than what we do at the moment with JDAMs, Hellfire and so on. There's a reason we're looking at buying thermobaric ordnance and the US already have. Besides, when we do it it's "unfortunate collateral damage".

(Yes, I know I'm trolling but I've always felt that the exact nature of the weapon system doing the killing is not the point.)

But Sergey does illustrate one thing I've said before, the average Russian feels it's justified as the killing has stopped and all is calm, and honestly are we in a position to criticise that given the carnage in Iraq and Afghanistan ?

Long term though, it will start up again. No amount of time will solve that one.
 
#6
scarletto said:
KGB_resident said:
http://www.military-today.com/artillery/tos1.htm

TOS-1 (Buratino) was used in Chechnya as I understand against armed separatists.
Over 30 civilians were killed in the attack, which witnesses said produced unusually yellow flames, and more than 200 others suffered various degrees of burns.

Civilians or Armed separatists,depending on who you believe.
Unashemedly reproduced from another ARRSE thread...

Official Kremlin Monkey said said:
We have not seen any evidence that any innocent Chechen civilians have been harmed in any way by official Russian security forces.

When you provide irrefutable evidence that any innocent Chechens were harmed in any way by official Russian security forces, then we will consider compensation.


 
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#7
There seems to be some deep hate in this area of the world, try showing some love instead ------------ Its nicer!!
 
#8
Sergey,

This may be a slow-burning thread, as Chechnya wasn't raised in the Pakistan thread out of any real burning desire to address Russia's unique grid-square removal COIN strategy. Rather, we just objected to being lectured to about civilian casualties from a representative of a country with, let's say, form in this area.

It's a mote/beam thing, if you'll excuse the biblical reference:

 
#9
Rumpelstiltskin said:
Sergey,

This may be a slow-burning thread, as Chechnya wasn't raised in the Pakistan thread out of any real burning desire to address Russia's unique grid-square removal COIN strategy. Rather, we just objected to being lectured to about civilian casualties from a representative of a country with, let's say, form in this area.
Mate, you and perhaps many our friends have a wrong perception I believe. Why do you think I try to lecture? Why does our frined Andy Pipkin think that I 'hate' America. It is simply not true.

I don't try to lecture anybody
I'm a human being and thus can be wrong sometimes (and even frequently)
I'm ready to change my mind any time
My views are only my private opinion
I hold in high esteem HM armed forces and appreciate very much views expressed here.
The ARRSE is the best community I know - intelligent, attentive, polite, informed, professional, with good sence of humour.
If I (of course unintentionally) have insulted anybody then I'm ready to bring my apologies and would try not to repeat such mistakes.

If I try to lecture then I would write (but actually I don't write) something like

Soulless, stonehearted, coldblooded assasins sent by Evil Empire, executing criminal orders issued by murderous tanned dictator committed new unprecedent atrocity. Being unable to suck blood from children in remote corners of Pakistan directly these cruel henchmen use their devilish inventions to kill as many as they wish...

Note, that in Pakistan thread I haven't asked about any moral aspects. I haven't asked is it right from moral point of view. I haven't expressed any estimates made from moral point of view.
 
#10
scarletto said:
KGB_resident said:
http://www.military-today.com/artillery/tos1.htm

TOS-1 (Buratino) was used in Chechnya as I understand against armed separatists.
Over 30 civilians were killed in the attack, which witnesses said produced unusually yellow flames, and more than 200 others suffered various degrees of burns.

Civilians or Armed separatists,depending on who you believe.
If you have credible reports about usage of TOS-1 against civilians in Chechnya then let me know.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/russia/tos-1.htm

...the Chechen capital Grozny has been heavily mined by Chechen forces, who are fighting from shelters for grenade-launcher- and machine-gun crews. The Russian military has also charged that Chechen fighters preparing to wage chemical warfare using chlorine, ammonia and sulphuric acid bombs buried in Grozny. The TOS-1-4 system's area denial capability would be useful for both mine-clearing operations, as well as in operations against dug-in troops.

The "Buratino" was the main thermobaric delivery system that the Russians used against Grozny. It was first combat-tested in Afghanistan's Panjshir valley in the early 1980s during the Soviet- Afghan War.
 
#11
Q: What do Chechyna, Somalia, Afghanistan & Pakistan all have in common?

A: They're all populated with cnutbats with one finger on an AK47 and another in a Koran.


A Battalion of Stalin's Organ Grinders is too good for them TBH.
 
#14
leveller said:
Sergey, its still your lots fault that I was made to learn Russian at school :x

Mind you I cant remember anything now, except hello and goodbye.
Anything has a bright side. Thanks God tou haven't to use Russian on a battlefield.
 
#15
Here we go again - Russias great and we don't hurt anyone not even the fluffy bunnies, not like you evil capitalist propaganda reading nazi lovers. Fcuking commie idiot.
 

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