Charities: Tail Wagging the Dog

#1
Do they exist to provide high salaries for the Executives or is there a real benefit in what they do?

Exclusive: Aid organisations risk 'bringing charities into disrepute' over pay, says watchdog - Telegraph

When a charity raises say £20 Million and has £18 Million in operating costs are they not defeating the object?

Granted as in this example if they did not exist then the charity in question would be £2Million down, but it seems like it's own cottage industry to me, simply exists to provide a conduit for large pay deals for the executives.

I suspect this is why politicians (of all parties) are so determined to keep the Foreign Aid Budget going.

Lots of their old mates run "charities" which employ themselves, the wife, and the son, daughter, niece etc.

After their own salaries are paid, they set up foreign trip jollies where said niece and son go hiking across Africa wearing their charity branded T-shirts, sponsored by yet more UK people, all to set up a water pump in a village, that would have cost just a few quid to install. Instead it costs us all millions.

Then there is this...

Charities may use public donations to plug pension black holes - Telegraph

A grand plan to use donations to plug Pension scheme black holes and to use to the charity donations to do so.

Win Win all round for the charities.

No wonder they all need those heart string pulling TV ads to keep the revenue up..

Other than the RBL (who to an extent are also guilty of this) poppy appeal and other selected Mil charities I don't bother any more simply because of this.

Having done voluntary work for the RBL some years ago I do know that all monies donated to the Poppy Appeal are ring fenced and not spent on administration. However that donated in legacies unless specifically requested to go to the poppy appeal as I understand it may be.
 
#3
This is hardly news though is it? It has been going on for years and years.
Using donations to plug pension deficits are a relatively recent development.

Must admit reading the comments after both those Telgrapgh Articles I have a better understanding of how the Foreign Aid budget works and why there is no appetite to cut it where most everything else if fair game.

Anyway the more publicity the scam gets the further the donations will fall forcing these so called charities who only exist at the behest of the public into reform.
 
#4
I find these 'begging' adverts on the TV absolutely scandalous - portraying starving / abused kids to tug at the heart strings - knowing fine well that the people who fall for this scam will be those that can least afford it.
 
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#6
I find these 'begging' adverts on the TV absolutely scandalous - portraying starving / abused kids to tug at the heart strings - knowing fine well that the people who fall for this scam will be those that can least afford it.
One thing I find interest about those ads, they ask for 'just £3 a week' for a dog
but
'just £2 a week' for a child.

And the reason it seems to be set low is so they have your name on a database & you'll be inundated with calls at ungodly hours to ask for more & more & more.
 
#7
At one stage it was reported that the guide dog charity was giving some employees interest free loans, so they seemed to have cash to spare.

Cathod(Sp) pays their CEO circa £85,000 which seems a reasonable rate.
 
#9
From the Telegraph article..

Janet Convery, ActionAid’s director of communications, said: “Richard Miller’s salary is well below the market rate for a chief executive of a major development charity.”
Market rate? This is the problem- these people have bought into the idea that they should be operating as business's- and as business's their core function is to compete with other charities for funding- so success becomes measured in terms of how much money is brought in.

Actually helping people has become a form of corporate window dressing- part of the marketing strategy that keeps those donations rolling in- but the benchmark for the CEO is not I suspect the success of the aid- it's the total of the donations.
 
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bokkatankie

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#10
From the Telegraph article..



Market rate? This is the problem- these people have bought into the idea that they should be operating as business's- and as business's their core function is to compete with other charities for funding- so success becomes measured in terms of how much money is brought in.

Actually helping people has become a form of corporate window dressing- part of the marketing strategy that keeps those donations rolling in- but the benchmark for the CEO is not I suspect the success of the aid- it's the total of the donations.
I also wonder how many of these have that role as the only job?
 

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#11
One thing I find interest about those ads, they ask for 'just £3 a week' for a dog
but
'just £2 a week' for a child.

And the reason it seems to be set low is so they have your name on a database & you'll be inundated with calls at ungodly hours to ask for more & more & more.
And every time I see such ads I check the charity commission website and find they've often £100's of millions in the bank. Some spend half their earnings on advertising.
 
#12
We live and learn.

It's a bit like the film 'Erin Bronkovich'; the law firm did get massive damages for environmental damages, but a sizeable percentage went on admin costs. I believe that later the evidence was not quite as clear cut as Hollywood would have us believe.
 
#13
Service charities are sometimes just as bad. When many moons ago I ran a marathon for BLESMA, I was subsequently bombarded with expensive glossy literature. What a waste.
 
#14
What I find very distasteful are the bods on the high-street who beg for the larger charities; no longer satisfied with a one off donation they insist on signing you up for a monthly direct debit? If offered a single donation they look disgruntled and move on to the next sap. The business of charity is quite underhand.
 
#15
What I find very distasteful are the bods on the high-street who beg for the larger charities; no longer satisfied with a one off donation they insist on signing you up for a monthly direct debit? If offered a single donation they look disgruntled and move on to the next sap. The business of charity is quite underhand.
The Chuggers (Charity Muggers) as a Big Issue seller mate of mine calls them. Pain in the arse posh students usually. I usually listen politely til they finish their spiel before wandering away laughing.


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#16
It is an Industry around which careers are built.

Some of the most cynical & self serving people I have ever met worked for a large, well known, heavily advertised and promoted charity. Their sole interest was meeting donations targets so that they could cop hefty annual incentive payments. To do that they pissed away millions in Advertising.

The "objects" of that charity ended up with less than 5% of sums donated
 
#17
The Chuggers (Charity Muggers) as a Big Issue seller mate of mine calls them. Pain in the arse posh students usually. I usually listen politely til they finish their spiel before wandering away laughing.
It takes some two years before the money you donate via the street Chuggers hits the charity in question. Those bouncy out of work students and actors average £9 >£12 / hour London rates, to chat you up on the street. London is getting tough on them. As for the Charities, they take a relaxed view on their activities as after all, money will eventually arrive in their coffers after the Chugger factor expenses have been deducted.
 
#18
It takes some two years before the money you donate via the street Chuggers hits the charity in question. Those bouncy out of work students and actors average £9 >£12 / hour London rates, to chat you up on the street. London is getting tough on them. As for the Charities, they take a relaxed view on their activities as after all, money will eventually arrive in their coffers after the Chugger factor expenses have been deducted.
I'd always wondered about that. Had a conversation with my local big issue seller about it while sheltering from the rain and we couldn't figure out if it went straight to the charity or not. Cheers.


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#19
One thing I find interest about those ads, they ask for 'just £3 a week' for a dog
but
'just £2 a week' for a child..
I like the adopt a Snow Leopard/ Man-eating Tiger ones. I was going to adopt a Dolphin but I don't have room for a pool.

Ironically Chugger ad accompanying this thread;

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#20
I personally fail to understand why private schools are permitted to carry charity status. They are businesses just like any other. Though while 35% of MPs and 70% of the HoL are privately educated you can undersatnd why gay marriage is their priority over fixing that little anomally.

Chuggers are on commission. They don't want one off donations because they want you to sign up for a direct debit as every successful direct debit gives them a payout. As Alec Lomas says above it can take many months before any of your donation starts to hit the charity since your initial month's payments go straight to the Chugger and to cover admin.

Another scam is household charity collections of old clothes, books etc. We average 2 bags a week through the door. At least 50% are from private companies that claim to make a "donation" from sales or are relying on appearing to be charities.

Simple rule of thumb is if it does not carry a charity number that I can verify, some publish their company registration number in an attempt to deceive, then the bag gets binned. If we subsequently see a scruffy plain white van, usually with a Polish/Lituanian/Irish (pikey) etc number plate collecting bags then that bag gets binned from then on. We tend to stick with the local hospice or air ambulance because we at least know they are genuine.

Charidee is one big scam which is a shame for the genuine ones.
 

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