Change UK suffers more changes.

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#61
There a big hullubullu about the split and data ownership of email addresses etc.
"Breaking News: The Information Commissioner's Office will investigate this breach of the law, by raiding the offices of The Brexit Party. "

H/T Guido
Do you mean CHUK?

If the ICO is involved and the personal data has been handled insecurely, they could be fined the greater of £20 million of 4% of turnover.

So that's £20 million or £100.

Wordsmith
 
#63
To be an effective political party you have to have an ideological stance that appeals to a major part of the population - i.e. clear principles and the ability to articulate them. If a new party, you also have to make a clear case that you are going to be an agent of change.

The basic principle of the Brexit party was clear - get us out of the EU. That resonated with Brexit supporters. And the Brexit party was clearly willing to take us out of the EU if they ever got into government - an agent of change where the existing parties had failed the electorate. As a result, they're riding high in the polls.

Change UK never articulated any principles except "we're different from the parties we defected from" and they never looked like acting as an agent of change. Hence the electorate was underwhelmed by them - and they got a minuscule vote in the European elections.

Farage is bringing conviction politics back to the UK - and if your party doesn't have strong convictions you can articulate and act on, you'll fall by the wayside.

Wordsmith
The public already think the HoC is full of useless deluded people... I had assumed when they setup the party, they had bothered to hold meetings with other parties and try to set themselves up as the single opposition to the Brexit party. One wonders aloud if people like soubry were set up and as said useless/deluded.
 

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#64
Had they started as a single-issue party opposed to Brexit and called themselves something like Remain UK then they may have garnered more support, but they would still have been competing against the Lib Dems who are already positioned as the pro-EU party and already have established policies beyond that.

Their best bet would have been to join the Lb Dems from the start.
I think they had delusions of grandeur and expectations that there would be a steadily growing stream of defectors from Labour and the Tories - making them a real political force. Would be defectors took a wait and see approach to see how CHUK fared in the polls and promptly decided they were safer where they were. The joys of being Change UK without being able to suggest and cheer lead meaningful change.

An alternative strategy might have been to set up as a moderate alternative to Corbyn's steadily more hard left Labour. Tom Watson's moderate Labour group has about 160 members - that was a fair pool of potential recruits.

But to execute any form of successful strategy would have required a far more talented and competent leadership team than CHUK was able to muster. Another load of MPs discovering meaningless spin does not equal success in the real world.

Wordsmith
 
#65
Breaking news

Anna Soubry spotted out and about promoting and presenting the revitalised Change UK.

 
#66
#67
Had they started as a single-issue party opposed to Brexit and called themselves something like Remain UK then they may have garnered more support, but they would still have been competing against the Lib Dems who are already positioned as the pro-EU party and already have established policies beyond that.

Their best bet would have been to join the Lb Dems from the start.
That may have gained them a few more votes but the truth is twats like chukka or Anna soubry are deservedly hated by most right thinking people because of their overwhelming smugness and overblown self belief and the rest of them were complete non entities who jumped before they were deselected from their own parties - in essence change uk consisted of round pegs in square holes - I just wish Dominique grieve Rudd Hammond and the startled owl had jumped ship with them!
 
#71
Kinder,gentler politics...
Corbyn only came out with that stuff because he knew he was going to get destroyed in PMQ’s. Remember those questions like this:- “I’ve had a letter from Karl in Highgate...”- Plainly designed to deflect criticism away from himself.
Now he’s a bit more confident he’s just as full of the piss and wind of braggadocio as anyone else in that place.
 
#73
Change UK never articulated any principles except "we're different from the parties we defected from" and they never looked like acting as an agent of change. Hence the electorate was underwhelmed by them - and they got a minuscule vote in the European elections.
About the only thing they campaigned on was remaining and getting "the people" a second referendum to force government to revoke Art.50.

In that respect they were as much a single-issue party as the BP.

Comparing vote shares, then, it's possible to determine that the people have voted - again - to leave the EU.

LibDems, Greens picked up votes because people were on the climate change kick, taken in by their stance on local issues or just plain wanted to give the Tories a shoeing without being thought of as "racist" for voting Nige' and not wanting to give Labour a lift, holding them in as equal contempt.
 

Wordsmith

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#74
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LibDems, Greens picked up votes because people were on the climate change kick, taken in by their stance on local issues or just plain wanted to give the Tories a shoeing without being thought of as "racist" for voting Nige' and not wanting to give Labour a lift, holding them in as equal contempt.
I'm not going to disagree with your post - and it does make the point that people's motives for voting 'X' or 'Y' can be significantly more complex than we sometimes give them credit for in posts on this site.

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