Chancellor announces expansion of school cadet forces

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Joint HM Treasury - Ministry of Defence Release

The Chancellor of the Exchequer, Gordon Brown and Defence Minister Tom Watson today announced funding for the creation of six new state school cadet units. The new units will be set up for three-year pilot periods, with a view to the continued expansion of the cadet forces in future years.

This accompanies the allocation last week of a further £4 million from the Big Lottery Fund to build on the Imperial War Museum’s ‘Their Past Your Future’ programme, which offers young people the chance to visit historic military sites and to record the experiences of veterans in their communities.

The Chancellor said:

“Today, on Veterans Day, we want young people - for whom even conflicts as recent as the Falklands are distant events learnt about in history lessons - to come to understand, value and aspire to those qualities of service, comradeship, bravery and sacrifice that the veterans of our armed forces have demonstrated so admirably."

“That is why we not only want every young person to learn from our veterans in their schools and communities, but we want more young people to have the opportunity also to join our cadet forces, to develop new skills, build their confidence, actively engage in their local communities, and experience for themselves an introduction to both military and community service.

“Both in difficult hours and on joyful days, we draw strength from our millions of veterans – the very best of Britain – a legion of courage whose qualities of character are the shining threads in the fabric of our society. Every day they should be remembered in every part of our land. These initiatives will ensure that we never forget and will help to bind the generations together for many years to come.”

Tom Watson said:

“The focus for all of the cadet units is on bringing adventure and enjoyment to all young people with a view to steering them towards responsible citizenship. They encourage valuable personal attributes; help to build skills and, using military themes based upon the culture and ethos of the single services to foster confidence, self reliance, initiative, loyalty and a sense of service to others.”
As someone who works in a state school in a deprived area, I would have been happier if the money had been spent on the existing cadet units in the area, or in schemes such as Skillforce (which does a wonderful job at my school) or the ACF's Outreach Program.

Imagine having a number of your cadets poached by a brand new, well funded and high profile CCF unit at their school. Irritating, to say the least.
 
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rickshaw said:
And its totally untrue that CRF wasn't consulted about this beforehand. Its equally untrue that CRF was monumentally hissed when he heard of the latest Broonian wheeze. Well, who could be hissed with the Broon who is so sincerely expressing his admiration for the Forces - with whom he has extra-ordinary empathy and has supported so enthusiastically prior to "Veteran's Day"
Using irony again Rickshaw. 8) Surely we must all welcome this focus on the armed forces by our future PM. You see, not only a good announcement, but there speaks a man with a view to the recruiting problem, that's really going to have him answering tough questions over the next three years.
 
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.......................Our future PM.................... sorry, having a bit of a concept problem here at the mo'.................. No, sorry, still not working......
 
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The new units will be set up for three-year pilot periods, with a view to the continued expansion of the cadet forces in future years
Brown envelopes dropping through the letterboxes of 15 year old cadets....Congratulations as part of your Cadet annual camp we will be sending you somewhere very hot and sandy...
They`ve had a decade to do this, why now. Recruiting and retention problems in the forces....catch `em while they`re young or am I being a little cynical 8)
 
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I don't understand why he's giving the money to the CCF.

Surely be better spent on kids who actually want to be at the unit and put in 100% than on the CCF private schools who press gang their sprogs into it and so therefore don't give their all.

Good to see some investment, but IMHO it could have been better spent.
 
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You can sense where this all came from. I'll wager that the essence of this came from a military grown up who will have been seeking increased investment into the cadet forces.
Increasing finance to properly fund established old units holds no personal glory-
and some desire that above all things.
He's launching instead what appears to be a brown err brand new high profile initiative and creating new units (and opening them and gaining respect in the press) rather than quietly and responsibly increasing proper funding to the established cadet services- a 'new deal' merely satisfying the vanity of the 'gentleman'.
(Well done to the grown up who got him to open the cheque book nonetheless!)
Both in difficult hours and on joyful days
Joyful days?! When, nationally, did we last have one of those then?!
 
#12
I welcome the initiative and the money.

But I cannot help thinking that, somewhere, there is something wrong with this. It's Gordon Brown providing the money....! What's in it for him? Do all cadets end up with an ID card, with iris recognition and their DNA samples stashed away carefully ("just so that if the coach crashed en route to Annual Camp and you were all unfortunately completely incinerated, we would be able to give your parents the correct bits....".

Something stinks. This politician does not give away money without a large quid pro quo attached to it.

He'll be kissing babies next.

I'm just off to look for my tin hat.

Litotes
 
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Xplosiverab said:
I don't understand why he's giving the money to the CCF.

Surely be better spent on kids who actually want to be at the unit and put in 100% than on the CCF private schools who press gang their sprogs into it and so therefore don't give their all.

Good to see some investment, but IMHO it could have been better spent.
The Chancellor of the Exchequer, Gordon Brown and Defence Minister Tom Watson today announced funding for the creation of six new state school cadet units.
my bold

Read before jumping.

Why is the question?

And what school is going to let students run around the playground with weapons?

How many times have we seen the police all tooled up because a soldier in uniform has been seen with a rifle? Report in this weekend’s paper about the police breaking down a door and cuffing a child seen who was seen with a weapon in his bedroom. Turned out to be a toy.

The money would be better spent on the existing parts of the cadet s

And it has just occurred to me, when will they do this, in school time, what will they drop to make room. Will it be compulsory? and what will the parrents say? Is this for the academy schools who got lots of cash and some have a religious bent?

As i think about this there are a lot of questions, we need more detail.
 
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Xplosiverab said:
I don't understand why he's giving the money to the CCF.

Surely be better spent on kids who actually want to be at the unit and put in 100% than on the CCF private schools who press gang their sprogs into it and so therefore don't give their all.

Good to see some investment, but IMHO it could have been better spent.
I was at a state-run school that had a CCF - it's not exclusive to private schools.

On the otherhand it should only be run as "opt-in". There are certain private schools where they sign a contract stating they have to attend at least one annual camp for CCF or they're not allowed to go to the school. That made my blood boil. I had experience of that with a public school - not a chin or braincell between the lot of them
 
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The Chancellor of the Exchequer, Gordon Brown and Defence Minister Tom Watson today announced funding for the creation of six new state school cadet units.
my bold

Read before jumping.
Fair shout, I may have got carried away.

But the principle remains, as long as kids are required to compulsarily attend the CCF in any environment it will be a waste of money as some will not want to be there.

If these new units will be detachments that happen to be based in a school that anyone can join, then thats alrite, as they have they're finger on the recruiting pulse. If not, and its closed to only the school (concept of the CCF) then why not invest it in the ACF? If they do make it optional to join, then basically you have an ACF unit that only recruits from one place, that school. And as all ACF instructors know, some kids will come from different schools, others will travel fcuking miles because their mates are there or they've been recruited by a friend, its the only night they can do, it has the best facilities etc.
 
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I don't trust that bastard with anything relating to defence. Just wait for the cries of "the Brits have child soldiers"! The Cadet Forces are a great thing and I hope they aren't being exploited for some quick, squalid political gain.
 
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to expand is fine, you need cleared adults to work with them, so you will need to persuade teachers willing to be given stripes and commissions to put the time in to run a unit.
 

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