chally 1 & Chieftain equip Regiments BAOR 1984/5

Proff3RTR

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We only went down to Type 38 as we disbanded A Sqn early, for manpower reasons, we did not lose the tanks and we in fact had more tanks than our establishment as we were the repository of tanks being returned from GW1 which we had to rebuild.

During drawdown I had either 20 or 22 CR1 in C Sqn, but we could have only fully crewed about half of them, we supplied the majority of the tanks for the amalgamated 2RTR in Fally. One of the tanks we put back together only moved for the first time in 18 months under its own power when it was loaded on a transporter to go to Fally.

As you probably remember it was a thankless task rebuilding the hulks which had been left in an awful state when they lost all there MAs when the Regt were in NI.
I remember that, I was D Sqn, a fair few of our 'hulks' were on elephants feet, no packs, no MA most of the innards ripped out. Bloody hard slog. I had forgoten that A sqn was axed early (it was a long time ago) I ended up in Recce of the new regiment, spent most of the 90's with them, then went back to blighty attached to the 1st (don't ask, good blokes, but poor leadership IMHO and some very poor SNCO's).

I remember the CO's car and the Sundance kid incident, to be honest we did not notice the fact that NCO's had to go to the NAAFFI for us, well at least I did not, still walked over there for a NAAFFI Pie and 20 Demuria Tabs, happy days.
 

aghart

War Hero
The vast majority of 1 RTR's Chieftains in Hildesheim (Late 84/early 85) were ex 2 RTR vehicles.
 
Was that the one that either made the lads magic marker out the naughty lady bits of the pics on the walls or bring them round for bible lessons on a Sunday?

Wasn't RTR but got told the story when I stayed in the 2RTR block
I don't specifically remember that, but he was a bit puritanical and this does ring a bell, even if muffled. I do have a memory, which may involve either him or a previous CO, where at a church service only he was singing because the band were playing the wrong tune to the hymn. That was all a bit uncomfortable.
 
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I don't specifically remember that, but he was a bit puritanical and this does ring a bell, even if muffled. I do have a memory, which may involve either him or a previous CO, where at a church service only he was singing because the band were playing the wrong tune to the hymn. That was all a bit uncomfortable.
PM on the way Clank if your 2MIB we got a few mutual friends.
 
And on being uncomfortable. In 1984 while still on Cheiftain, I missed an exercise due to being on yet another course at Bovy. The morning after I got back to Fally it was to join the regiment lined up on the tank park to receive a bollocking from the brigade commander for it's poor performance on the exercise, with many tanks bogging down. Never even remotely had this occur before, and a severe drop in performance from the high levels achieved at Woofers.
 
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Proff3RTR

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I’ll ask my ol’mate he’ll give me all the dit!
No, it was not that one, he was a god bothering type and was briefed up by the SSM that he could not do that, I was alluding to our first CO on amalgamation, total chimp of the highest order.
 
QOH Hohne had Chieftain until 1989.
We received a warning order in 1988 that we were to become the final BAOR Challenger regiment.
B squadron were the first to re-equip, and I am proud to say that I was the first driver to break one.
Cracked a front idler somehow.
I was also the first to drive one into a quagmire, and filled it with mud.
@Fat_Cav can confirm this as the pi55taking went on for a while.
 
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I went to Antwerp too, to pick our new tanks up,(armed escort) it was 1984 and i was in the RH.I'm sure we already had the new Commanders too.
Could have been a Commander.

From the Wiki.
The Scammell Commander was a heavy equipment transporter manufactured by Scammell for the Royal Corps of Transport. It is a tank transporter of UK origin, developed mid 1970’s to succeed the Thornycroft Antar in UK military service. It entered service in 1984 and between 1983 and 1985, 125 were built with the Royal Corps of Transport the being the sole customer.[1] Most were operated with the British Army of the Rhine by 7 Tank Transporter Regiment, Royal Corps of Transport, in West Germany, with only a few in the United Kingdom.[2] They were extensively used in the Gulf War in the early 1990s.[3] All were replaced by Oshkosh M1070s in the 2000s.[4][5]
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Bardeyai

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I went to Antwerp too, to pick our new tanks up,(armed escort) it was 1984 and i was in the RH.I'm sure we already had the new Commanders too.
Some of those first tanks obviously didn’t fit in the RH ethos, if you offloaded them onto us. (Heh heh)
As to whether we picked them up on Antar or Commander, I was very impressed by the old Poles party piece - to change driver: replacement driver climbs out of the cab, over the bonnet and in on the driver’s side. Commander might have been going a bit fast for that one to be practical.
 
QOH Hohne had Chieftain until 1989.
We received a warning order in 1988 that we were to become the final BAOR Challenger regiment.
B squadron were the first to re-equip, and I am proud to say that I was the first driver to break one.
Cracked a front idler somehow.
I was also the first to drive one into a quagmire, and filled it with mud.
@Fat_Cav can confirm this as the pi55taking went on for a while.

If I remember rightly, the cracked idler wasn't something that Royal Ordnance expected and the whole Sqn's brand new wagons were VOR within a week or so of getting them because you broke one.

All these shiny new CR1 sat in B Sqn hangers going nowhere because @ste14w had ballsed one up.

I don't recall the mud incident, but I've seen you drive on Soltau, so it doesn't surprise me. :wink:
 
If I remember rightly, the cracked idler wasn't something that Royal Ordnance expected and the whole Sqn's brand new wagons were VOR within a week or so of getting them because you broke one.

All these shiny new CR1 sat in B Sqn hangers going nowhere because @ste14w had ballsed one up.

I don't recall the mud incident, but I've seen you drive on Soltau, so it doesn't surprise me. :wink:
That would explain why I couldn’t get a replacement CR1 idler when the bearings failed after an altercation with a large rock on Soltau, none available anywhere in the system.

My Tiffy not to be deterred tried demanding the bearings and associated gubbins on their own, intending to rebuild the whole set up, again none available anywhere.

He did a bit of digging on the REME side and discovered that despite the specs being different,( he told me CR1 was metric and CH imperial he could have been bullshitting me), that the bearings etc were the same, quick midnight flit to Detmold and parts picked up courtesy QM(T) 15/19H back on the road by dawn.
 

AlienFTM

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That would explain why I couldn’t get a replacement CR1 idler when the bearings failed after an altercation with a large rock on Soltau, none available anywhere in the system.

My Tiffy not to be deterred tried demanding the bearings and associated gubbins on their own, intending to rebuild the whole set up, again none available anywhere.

He did a bit of digging on the REME side and discovered that despite the specs being different,( he told me CR1 was metric and CH imperial he could have been bullshitting me), that the bearings etc were the same, quick midnight flit to Detmold and parts picked up courtesy QM(T) 15/19H back on the road by dawn.
Care to PM me his name (if you remember it)? We'll have been in the same squadron.
 
If I remember rightly, the cracked idler wasn't something that Royal Ordnance expected and the whole Sqn's brand new wagons were VOR within a week or so of getting them because you broke one.

All these shiny new CR1 sat in B Sqn hangers going nowhere because @ste14w had ballsed one up.

I don't recall the mud incident, but I've seen you drive on Soltau, so it doesn't surprise me. :wink:
:D:D
The mud incident happened on the very first exercise with our shiny new tanks.
1st Troop and a couple of Dutch Leo 2's.
Unfortunately I have no pics, a burglary a few years back resulted in lots of photos and memorabilia being stolen :x
However, here's a pic of me getting some practice in for the day when I could take the shine off of our shiny new kit.

thumbnail (3) Soltau mud bath 2.jpg
 

Bardeyai

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:D:D
The mud incident happened on the very first exercise with our shiny new tanks.
1st Troop and a couple of Dutch Leo 2's.
Unfortunately I have no pics, a burglary a few years back resulted in lots of photos and memorabilia being stolen :x
However, here's a pic of me getting some practice in for the day when I could take the shine off of our shiny new kit.

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They took one look at you on arrival in Catterick and said “ You’ll be going to be a Tank Driver, my son”, didn’t they?
They chose wisely ( heh heh)
 

Proff3RTR

Old-Salt
They took one look at you on arrival in Catterick and said “ You’ll be going to be a Tank Driver, my son”, didn’t they?
They chose wisely ( heh heh)
Cab Rats, stand out a mile..........
 
Cab Rats, stand out a mile..........
Thinking back, it all makes sense now.
Every one of our drivers had that 'One Flew Over The Cuckoos Nest' look about them.
 

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