Challenger 1

#2
NineStoneCowboy said:
What happened to Challenger 1 when it was replaced with Challenger 2?

Did we sell them off, or are they in storage somewhere?

9SC
I know for a fact that it's possible to buy a deactivated one on the private market these days assuming you've got the cash...........which I haven't. But someone more educated than I will have to give the official answer.
 
#5
Tankie2ndrtr said:
ObnoxiousJockGit said:
They were gifted to Jordan.
For a quid Each...Providing BAE or Vickers i think at the time got the contract to supply the spares etc.

2RTR got them 98. Think the Scots dogs got em almost a year before.
98? Or 88? or have I completely missed the boat mate?
 
#6
ObnoxiousJockGit said:
They were gifted to Jordan.
A number certainly were - I was in Jordan last week and had a long chat with an ex-Jordanian RAC officer on the merits or otherwise of CR1 although on the whole he was very positive about both the donation and the tank.
 

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#7
Arthur3bums said:
Tankie2ndrtr said:
ObnoxiousJockGit said:
They were gifted to Jordan.
For a quid Each...Providing BAE or Vickers i think at the time got the contract to supply the spares etc.

2RTR got them 98. Think the Scots dogs got em almost a year before.
98? Or 88? or have I completely missed the boat mate?
received CR2 in 98 ?... IS what i was trying to say, sorry.
 
#8
Tankie2ndrtr said:
Arthur3bums said:
Tankie2ndrtr said:
ObnoxiousJockGit said:
They were gifted to Jordan.
For a quid Each...Providing BAE or Vickers i think at the time got the contract to supply the spares etc.

2RTR got them 98. Think the Scots dogs got em almost a year before.
98? Or 88? or have I completely missed the boat mate?
received CR2 in 98 ?... IS what i was trying to say, sorry.
There is two of them sat in the scrap compound in Barker Barracks along with a few CRARVS. They are begging to be restored, a very sad sight to behold :(
 
#9
Vent_Tube_Tester said:
Tankie2ndrtr said:
Arthur3bums said:
Tankie2ndrtr said:
ObnoxiousJockGit said:
They were gifted to Jordan.
For a quid Each...Providing BAE or Vickers i think at the time got the contract to supply the spares etc.

2RTR got them 98. Think the Scots dogs got em almost a year before.
98? Or 88? or have I completely missed the boat mate?
received CR2 in 98 ?... IS what i was trying to say, sorry.
There is two of them sat in the scrap compound in Barker Barracks along with a few CRARVS. They are begging to be restored, a very sad sight to behold :(
Now, if the MOD could see their way to gifting me one...................
 
#11
hammy123 said:
What happened to all the chieftains which left BAOR in the early 90's?
Loads were smelted down, but, some were converted to Bridgelayers plenty are in private hands as far afield as USA, Canada or even Australia. Commander is the best person to ask or Chieftain as they've made it their mission but, some it appears that were meant to be smelted found their way into private hands even though the records state that they were destroyed....wierd!!!
 
#13
Arthur3bums said:
hammy123 said:
What happened to all the chieftains which left BAOR in the early 90's?
Loads were smelted down, but, some were converted to Bridgelayers plenty are in private hands as far afield as USA, Canada or even Australia. Commander is the best person to ask or Chieftain as they've made it their mission but, some it appears that were meant to be smelted found their way into private hands even though the records state that they were destroyed....wierd!!!
Correct. Most were smelted down in Sheffield, IIRC. Because they were made of such high grade steel, I think the MOD was able to off-load them for not very much money.

And the sting in the tail was.... when it came to disposing of CR1 in 1998, the whole world had changed and the New Management Strategy had arrived, along with Top Level Budgets, High Level Budgets, etc, industry didn't need as much steel, everyone was talking about (not) handling polluted waste....

....and industry decided that it wanted a lot of money to dispose of each CR1. But nobody had put any money in the budget for those disposal costs because it hadn't cost much to dispose of CF (and I won't go into the armour issues...).

I recall that it was much cheaper to gift the fleet to the Jordanians, and they were given all the spares, tech pubs etc. I think they got a good deal!

Litotes
 
#16
Tankie2ndrtr said:
ObnoxiousJockGit said:
They were gifted to Jordan.
For a quid Each...Providing BAE or Vickers i think at the time got the contract to supply the spares etc.
Correct, They were sent on their way to Jordan by the Disposal Sales Agency. The project was called the Al Hussein Project. I was lucky enough to be involved in it.

The CR1 that could not be driven onto the boat or were used to canabalise had the armour removed and went to Sheffield to be smelted. Some were also applied for to be used as gate guards. No CR1 as you all know it has been allowed into the civvy sector apart from 1 prototype as far as i am aware. IIRC you have to apply to DSA for a gate guard unless of course its a captured bit of kit from a war then there is a different paperwork process.

The Jordanians had a lot of our Ch.ARRVS, Scammell Commanders and trailors and M578 through the same project.

The spares, contract and mechanisms to support CR1 in the Jordanian army were paid for at a "normal" price.

The CR1 in Barker Bks you may find are recovery aids, as some of the CR1's, Chieftain MBT etc etc are used to trained Recovery Mechanics practically. These are kept with a REME Bn, ie 3Bn at Barker Bks.
 
#17
Vent_Tube_Tester said:
Tankie2ndrtr said:
Arthur3bums said:
Tankie2ndrtr said:
ObnoxiousJockGit said:
They were gifted to Jordan.
For a quid Each...Providing BAE or Vickers i think at the time got the contract to supply the spares etc.

2RTR got them 98. Think the Scots dogs got em almost a year before.
98? Or 88? or have I completely missed the boat mate?
received CR2 in 98 ?... IS what i was trying to say, sorry.
There is two of them sat in the scrap compound in Barker Barracks along with a few CRARVS. They are begging to be restored, a very sad sight to behold :(
The 2 CR1 are definately Recovery training aids, used by us Recy Mechs to winch around the area on Recy camps.

CRARRV's??? definately not, your probably refering to the handful of Chieftain Arrv's that are in there, also used as recovery training aids.
 
#18
buryfc66 said:
Vent_Tube_Tester said:
Tankie2ndrtr said:
Arthur3bums said:
Tankie2ndrtr said:
ObnoxiousJockGit said:
They were gifted to Jordan.
For a quid Each...Providing BAE or Vickers i think at the time got the contract to supply the spares etc.

2RTR got them 98. Think the Scots dogs got em almost a year before.
98? Or 88? or have I completely missed the boat mate?
received CR2 in 98 ?... IS what i was trying to say, sorry.
There is two of them sat in the scrap compound in Barker Barracks along with a few CRARVS. They are begging to be restored, a very sad sight to behold :(
The 2 CR1 are definately Recovery training aids, used by us Recy Mechs to winch around the area on Recy camps.

CRARRV's??? definately not, your probably refering to the handful of Chieftain Arrv's that are in there, also used as recovery training aids.
Don't worry buryfc VTT's AFV rec was always a bit suspect.................T72..........Portaloo..........I rest my case!!! :wink:
 
#19
soprano54 said:
buryfc66 said:
Vent_Tube_Tester said:
Tankie2ndrtr said:
Arthur3bums said:
Tankie2ndrtr said:
ObnoxiousJockGit said:
They were gifted to Jordan.
For a quid Each...Providing BAE or Vickers i think at the time got the contract to supply the spares etc.

2RTR got them 98. Think the Scots dogs got em almost a year before.
98? Or 88? or have I completely missed the boat mate?
received CR2 in 98 ?... IS what i was trying to say, sorry.
There is two of them sat in the scrap compound in Barker Barracks along with a few CRARVS. They are begging to be restored, a very sad sight to behold :(
The 2 CR1 are definately Recovery training aids, used by us Recy Mechs to winch around the area on Recy camps.

CRARRV's??? definately not, your probably refering to the handful of Chieftain Arrv's that are in there, also used as recovery training aids.
Don't worry buryfc VTT's AFV rec was always a bit suspect.................T72..........Portaloo..........I rest my case!!! :wink:
Ooo, Tgt, Stop. :D
 
#20
Ash_Plant said:
ObnoxiousJockGit said:
They were gifted to Jordan.
A number certainly were - I was in Jordan last week and had a long chat with an ex-Jordanian RAC officer on the merits or otherwise of CR1 although on the whole he was very positive about both the donation and the tank.
They got 400 vehicles actually. What interests me is their actual plans to upgrade them; there are examples floating about of both the Falcon "turret" and a more conventional Ruag L44 upgrade. I wonder how much of this is hyperbole and how much actual intent; eg one-piece stowage should be interesting.
 
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