Army Rumour Service

Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!

CGS:upgrading challenger and warrior.

Surely its too much to ask for the entire REME Bn structure to be cut.
IMO REME should go back to strong levels of trades at first line with much smaller numbers than currently at 2nd line doing work in support of/to 1st line LADs, it's when we did our best work, keeping fit equipment in the hands of the user.
 

jrwlynch

LE
Book Reviewer
A true connoisseur writes:

Neither. HK-47 the Assassin Droid.

<Retraction> Did I say that out loud? I apologize, master. While you are a meatbag, I suppose I should not call you such. It's just that… you have all these squishy parts, master. And all that water! How the constant sloshing doesn't drive you mad, I have no idea… Shall we find something to kill to cheer ourselves up?
 
IMO REME should go back to strong levels of trades at first line with much smaller numbers than currently at 2nd line doing work in support of/to 1st line LADs, it's when we did our best work, keeping fit equipment in the hands of the user.
But then you'd have to do away with Whole Fleet Management and give the kit back to the troops and then they would have to learn how to maintain properly.
I suppose the up side is there could be LAD bars again!
 
IMO REME should go back to strong levels of trades at first line with much smaller numbers than currently at 2nd line doing work in support of/to 1st line LADs, it's when we did our best work, keeping fit equipment in the hands of the user.
Turkeys don’t vote for Xmas and there are many REME officers that would have nowhere to try and justify their existence.
 
Probably because the threat is heavy armour, you nugget.

Paratroopers might be nice and fit and hard and everything but they're not bullet- or shell-proof.

nope, the very threat Strike Brigade is meant to head off its a fast Russian strike into places like Latvia....

that won’t be delivered by heavy armour, it will be delivered by Russias favourite ‘smash ‘n’ grab’ forces, their airborne forces, who unlike our airborne light infantry, have lots of organic all Arms teeth, and the planes to move them.

Thats the Russian Airborne Forces now getting lots of new 20 tonne class light armour that can not only smash anything a ‘Strike Brigade’ can bring to the party, it has sufficient teeth to bite real armour too.

And further afield?

While a Strike Brigade is still being moved to a port to go by sea to far away places, the VDV can parachuting in thousands of men along with their Air droppable panzers and SPGs.

Strike Brigade - always too slow to the party, and doesn’t bring any teeth.
 
But then you'd have to do away with Whole Fleet Management and give the kit back to the troops and then they would have to learn how to maintain properly.
I suppose the up side is there could be LAD bars again!
Why would you have to cancel WFM? The original idea was all units would keep an amount of equipt to alleviate skill fade with higher readiness units fully equipped. Those tradesmen/crew not being utilised can then do career/trade courses, adventure trg etc. Bdes could also send teams to ABS to assist in preparing kit for storage or for breakout.

LAD bars, a very good reason to return to decently manned LADs, NOT!
 

Cold_Collation

LE
Book Reviewer
nope, the very threat Strike Brigade is meant to head off its a fast Russian strike into places like Latvia....

that won’t be delivered by heavy armour, it will be delivered by Russias favourite ‘smash ‘n’ grab’ forces, their airborne forces, who unlike our airborne light infantry, have lots of organic all Arms teeth, and the planes to move them.

Thats the Russian Airborne Forces now getting lots of new 20 tonne class light armour that can not only smash anything a ‘Strike Brigade’ can bring to the party, it has sufficient teeth to bite real armour too.

And further afield?

While a Strike Brigade is still being moved to a port to go by sea to far away places, the VDV can parachuting in thousands of men along with their Air droppable panzers and SPGs.

Strike Brigade - always too slow to the party, and doesn’t bring any teeth.
A Strike Brigade will have to be able to fight whatever it comes up against.

We can't pick and choose, and nor should you in your posts.
 

Bubbles_Barker

LE
Book Reviewer
nope, the very threat Strike Brigade is meant to head off its a fast Russian strike into places like Latvia....

that won’t be delivered by heavy armour, it will be delivered by Russias favourite ‘smash ‘n’ grab’ forces, their airborne forces, who unlike our airborne light infantry, have lots of organic all Arms teeth, and the planes to move them.

Thats the Russian Airborne Forces now getting lots of new 20 tonne class light armour that can not only smash anything a ‘Strike Brigade’ can bring to the party, it has sufficient teeth to bite real armour too.

And further afield?

While a Strike Brigade is still being moved to a port to go by sea to far away places, the VDV can parachuting in thousands of men along with their Air droppable panzers and SPGs.

Strike Brigade - always too slow to the party, and doesn’t bring any teeth.
Of course the lumbering IL76s required to drop these supermen and their wunderwaffen will do so entirely unmolested by NATO airpower and Air Defence. Those that do reach the ground (and there will be vanishingly few) will find their armour (proof only against small arms fire at the expense of mounting a 100mm gun) pierced by even the plucky Brits' pathetic 40mm CTA....

What's good for the goose, is good for the gander.
 
A Strike Brigade will have to be able to fight whatever it comes up against.

We can't pick and choose, and nor should you in your posts.


:rofl:

Such a bugger the Russians took one look at the 40mm wundergat 'able to defeat previous generation MBT's' and issued a load of extra 100mm & 125mm, and both have tube launched ATGM's, armed light tanks to its rapid reaction forces.
40mm CTA vs the same 125mm gun as fitted to a T-90 MBT? Sounds like a fair fight

Top tip - The enemy gets a vote, and they vote Nyet to Strike Brigade, all of who's MICV's, light tanks and artillery are now comprehensively overmatched by its likely peer opponent.
 

Cold_Collation

LE
Book Reviewer
:rofl:

Such a bugger the Russians took one look at the 40mm wundergat 'able to defeat previous generation MBT's' and issued a load of extra 100mm & 125mm, and both have tube launched ATGM's, armed light tanks to its rapid reaction forces.
40mm CTA vs the same 125mm gun as fitted to a T-90 MBT? Sounds like a fair fight

Top tip - The enemy gets a vote, and they vote Nyet to Strike Brigade, all of who's MICV's, light tanks and artillery are now comprehensively overmatched by its likely peer opponent.
You are emailing all these posts to Nick Carter, aren't you?
 
Hmmm...

40mm defeats Russian light/medium armour at all practical combat ranges

125mm defeats British light/medium armour at all practical ranges.


Maybe instead of comparing calibres and ‘degrees of deadness’, we might want to consider combat effectiveness in some kind of grown-up way?
Perhaps considering sensor acquisition time, rounds carried, rate of fire, and first-round hit probability might come into deciding the engagement...


Oh sorry - I forgot - we’re playing Top Trumps again, aren’t we?


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
 
Top