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And while a hit's far from guaranteed, a fin round's a lot faster than an ATGM, and if having a pop at the helicopter means it evades... for most CLOS systems that's going to put a big wiggle in the missile's flightpath.

Indeed.

I remember a Lynx pilot talking in 2003 about his experiences of having a crack at some T-55s with TOW - from a bare-arse* firing position.

At least one missed due missile/operator error, and another missed when he dropped the collective to avoid ‘return mail’ in 100mm format...



* ie most of Southern Iraq


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It’s not really that crazy - a good gunner ought to be able to hit a hovering helicopter at 4km using a modern FCS and ammunition system.

A fin round still has a reasonably flat trajectory even at that range, and enough KE to make a fragile whirligig feel a big sick...


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I know, I think the argument agaisnt the idea were:

A) Target acquisition at long ranges, especially as mast mounted sights were beginning to come into play.

B) While you're having fun playing Whack-a-Wokka, that Soviet Tank company is getting awfully close, and maybe you should do something about that? Leaving the hovering ugly craft to the people who specialise in dealing with them, and have all the toys to remove them from everyone's sight and not get infected by what ever god awful mutating ugly disease the helicopters are carrying.
 
What, like death? :-D

Look we all know that helicopters only work because they're so ugly the ground repels them. Personally I think they were caused by some virus created by Blackburn Aircraft to try and create something uglier than the planes they designed (Buccaneer excepted).
So far, despite infecting several airframes this plan seems to have failed.
 

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Look we all know that helicopters only work because they're so ugly the ground repels them.
A quarter of a million spare parts, flying in loose formation around an oil leak, that's about to fall apart from metal fatigue.
 
It’s not really that crazy - a good gunner ought to be able to hit a hovering helicopter at 4km using a modern FCS and ammunition system.

A fin round still has a reasonably flat trajectory even at that range, and enough KE to make a fragile whirligig feel a big sick...


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We got told to aim high as the fin round passing over the big fan would cause the helicopter to plummet. Not sure where that particular nugget came from, probably the NAAFI bar; so gen up.
 

Cynical

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It’s not really that crazy - a good gunner ought to be able to hit a hovering helicopter at 4km using a modern FCS and ammunition system.

A fin round still has a reasonably flat trajectory even at that range, and enough KE to make a fragile whirligig feel a big sick...
May well be that a near miss is enough - people tend to forget that lump of metal travelling (very) supersonically generates a bit of a shockwave, which can disrupt stuff like air flow over rotors or into engines - neither of which is going to be fun for AH pilot and crew.

IIRC there was talk of developing and anti helicopter round form 120mm smooth, until someone pointed out that APFSDS could hit

ETA: Oddly, I don't remember every practicing Anti-heli with main armament. MATS-A was Coax only
 

Cynical

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A) Target acquisition at long ranges, especially as mast mounted sights were beginning to come into play.

B) While you're having fun playing Whack-a-Wokka, that Soviet Tank company is getting awfully close, and maybe you should do something about that? Leaving the hovering ugly craft to the people who specialise in dealing with them, and have all the toys to remove them from everyone's sight and not get infected by what ever god awful mutating ugly disease the helicopters are carrying.
A Big thermal signature and H often has to pop up to fire
Who in British Orbat had weaponry to reach AH say 2000 to 3500 m from FLOT
Have a fast, increasingly motivated loader! And reverse to get to next bound west when they get close.
 

Cold_Collation

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May well be that a near miss is enough - people tend to forget that lump of metal travelling (very) supersonically generates a bit of a shockwave, which can disrupt stuff like air flow over rotors or into engines - neither of which is going to be fun for AH pilot and crew.

IIRC there was talk of developing and anti helicopter round form 120mm smooth, until someone pointed out that APFSDS could hit

ETA: Oddly, I don't remember every practicing Anti-heli with main armament. MATS-A was Coax only
Common in aviation circles.

There are mandated separation distances between different types of aircraft when coming into airports, for instance. A big aircraft like a B747 creates more turbulence and has a bigger wake than, say, a B737 or A320.

One of the worries when the A380 was entering service - something which had the potential to hit its economic viability - was that it had been assumed that it would have the same separation parameters as a Jumbo. There was mild panic when it was stated that it might need more.

There are also several stories of leisure flyers in Cessnas and so on suddenly finding themselves the wrong way up and screaming because such as Tornados have gone screaming past at knots many and feet few. They came very close to being knocked out of the air by the fast jets' turbulence.

Aside: the Nazis looked at using sound waves to disturb the airflows over aircrafts' wings and so cause them to crash.
 
A Big thermal signature and H often has to pop up to fire
Who in British Orbat had weaponry to reach AH say 2000 to 3500 m from FLOT
Have a fast, increasingly motivated loader! And reverse to get to next bound west when they get close.

The Plan(TM) was to have the PBI forming the base line, while the tanks were deployed on the flank, hence the requirement to defeat NATO Triple Heavy.
What was interesting was they reckoned they could get Single Heavy at 3,000m, and get that performance from a 104mm gun. It was suggested that with a massive research effort we could get that value down to just a 97mm gun.

For your amusement:
 
Tuesday viewing for everyone


Can anyone with an opinion turn up in front of the committee now?

Personally, I think they should run a Twitch livestream from a World of Tanks match, and take their evidence from the player with the most kills...


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