CGS:upgrading challenger and warrior.

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I'm rather after saying that that's a Challenger, not a Leopard...

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Yep, not the LEP turret though, it seems to be the unicorn option.
 
Hopefully someone can enlighten me.

In a turret fitted with an autoloader, what happens with an expended case or, if they're burnt up during firing, what happens to the base of the round, does it stay in the turret until the crew bomb up on the next replen?
 
Yep, Chally mit 130mmm, RBSL seem to have got into the porn business
Crikey, we could have the uber panzer , that which is only in the fevered minds of tankies. I'm going to lie down in a darkened room...
 
Hopefully someone can enlighten me.

In a turret fitted with an autoloader, what happens with an expended case or, if they're burnt up during firing, what happens to the base of the round, does it stay in the turret until the crew bomb up on the next replen?
Same as with a manually loaded vehicle. Stub cases get collected in a bin until one of the crew empties it.
 
Crikey, we could have the uber panzer , that which is only in the fevered minds of tankies. I'm going to lie down in a darkened room...
Is that the reaction after an exercise? As you'll be at three person crews.

Right now that that particular blue touch paper is well lit, I'm going to stand back and ask about those armour arrays on the turret front. They seem to make no sense, apart from the German's natural affinity with building box tanks...?
 
Is that the reaction after an exercise? As you'll be at three person crews.

Right now that that particular blue touch paper is well lit, I'm going to stand back and ask about those armour arrays on the turret front. They seem to make no sense, apart from the German's natural affinity with building box tanks...?
RBSL won’t necessarily be able to export the CR2 Dorchester turret armour - so they may have gone right back to the bare steel fabrication and started again with their own recipe.


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RBSL won’t necessarily be able to export the CR2 Dorchester turret armour - so they may have gone right back to the bare steel fabrication and started again with their own recipe.


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Trying to flog it to Jordan?

Unless its a turret that can be stuck on a leopard, or other chassis, it seems like a no go?
 
RBSL won’t necessarily be able to export the CR2 Dorchester turret armour - so they may have gone right back to the bare steel fabrication and started again with their own recipe.


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They won’t be able to export Dorchester or any future flavours unless it’s to the USA.
 
Is that the reaction after an exercise? As you'll be at three person crews.

Right now that that particular blue touch paper is well lit, I'm going to stand back and ask about those armour arrays on the turret front. They seem to make no sense, apart from the German's natural affinity with building box tanks...?
I reckon we should change the loadie to Comms/protective systems op.
His/her job is to make sure all Active/passive protection systems are serviceable, to inform tank commander of risk ( APS serviceability etc ), ensure BMS is serviceable, radios work , carry out basic maint on the above, tell ribald stories and ensure deployment of thermos flask with hot brews at regular intervals.
 
I reckon we should change the loadie to Comms/protective systems op.
His/her job is to make sure all Active/passive protection systems are serviceable, to inform tank commander of risk ( APS serviceability etc ), ensure BMS is serviceable, radios work , carry out basic maint on the above, tell ribald stories and ensure deployment of thermos flask with hot brews at regular intervals.
I'd come to a similar conclusion, give him a drone to monitor as well.

Now the big question, where do you seat them?

Hull next to the Driver, so the driver doesn't get lonely and has someone's hand to hold, and you compromise the protection given by the fuel. But you're going to be armouring that anyway, and its possibly easier to stick everything he needs in.
The other option is low down at the back of the turret in series with the Commander. This allows you to focus protection on that side of the turret (fighting rounds to feed into the autoloader could be on the other). If you faced them backwards you could also get a bootleg reload in the case of mechanical faliure on your autoloader. It wouldn't be fast or a happy time, but its something (Ie: 1 round every two minutes is better than no rounds).
 

jrwlynch

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I'd come to a similar conclusion, give him a drone to monitor as well.

Now the big question, where do you seat them?

Hull next to the Driver, so the driver doesn't get lonely and has someone's hand to hold, and you compromise the protection given by the fuel. But you're going to be armouring that anyway, and its possibly easier to stick everything he needs in.
And he could have a machine gun to help suppress infantry, in a ball mount in the front glacis :)
 
And he could have a machine gun to help suppress infantry, in a ball mount in the front glacis :)
That'd wreck your armour integrity. Might I suggest an FV201 style remote machine gun? We had a massive technological lead in flameweapons that could be fitted to the same mount...No Bad LISTY!

In all seriousness, Ye Olde WWII tankers loved the lap gun, and were of the opinion that long may it continue.
 

Londo

LE
I reckon we should change the loadie to Comms/protective systems op.
His/her job is to make sure all Active/passive protection systems are serviceable, to inform tank commander of risk ( APS serviceability etc ), ensure BMS is serviceable, radios work , carry out basic maint on the above, tell ribald stories and ensure deployment of thermos flask with hot brews at regular intervals.
Don't forget operating the tethered drone .
 

Cold_Collation

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Is that the reaction after an exercise? As you'll be at three person crews.

Right now that that particular blue touch paper is well lit, I'm going to stand back and ask about those armour arrays on the turret front. They seem to make no sense, apart from the German's natural affinity with building box tanks...?
Not dissimilar to this - which, ironically, was running on a Leopard 2 chassis:
 
Hopefully someone can enlighten me.

In a turret fitted with an autoloader, what happens with an expended case or, if they're burnt up during firing, what happens to the base of the round, does it stay in the turret until the crew bomb up on the next replen?
Russian autoloaders eject the empty automatically via a hatch behind and above the gun. This applies across a wide range of autoloader equipped vehicles.
 
And he could have a machine gun to help suppress infantry, in a ball mount in the front glacis :)
Ah, but limited traverse!

I suggest two small mini-turrets embedded in the glacis...




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Ah, but limited traverse!

I suggest two small mini-turrets embedded in the glacis...




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I would advise agaisnt that design, as there's at least two superior versions. Vickers designed a much better version, which was lighter, offered better protection and yet retained the 100 degree arc.

I’ll raise you two more turrets covering the rear arc with high elevation capability
Pffft, Let me introduce you to the Class of 1938 Universal Tank. Autoloading 2-pounder, an ECLA mortar, 2 sub-turrets with MG's, COAX MG, separate rear turret for AA Defence, apparently on the rear hull, and four men in the turret. The other three were in the hull.
 

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