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NemoIII

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So ' Strong Europe Tank Challenge ' is in full swing with the UK making it's first showing this year.

Generally what are the benefits associated with competitions like this and what do the Army have to gain on signing off on this knowing CR2's limitations ?

Sweden - whose first year it is too - currently leading the way.

In many ways....







Have you got the final results? Leo 2 came in 1st, 2nd and 3rd but from what I've read they won't release the rest of the standings.
 
That's a victory then.
The only victory that really counts is the one achieved in battle, and our MBT wins hands down, several times, even if that's because the other countrys didn't deploy theirs* where it stood a chance of being hurt by targets that fire back.

*Less the yanks of course.
 

QRK2

LE
The only victory that really counts is the one achieved in battle, and our MBT wins hands down, several times, even if that's because the other countrys didn't deploy theirs* where it stood a chance of being hurt by targets that fire back.

*Less the yanks of course.

Can you clarify, are you Danish, Canadian or Turkish?
 
Think the Germans just made up there own track.

I'm guessing that's the "Driving blind by commander instruction" event.

And Good news, we beat the US.

Final scores:
1st place - Germany 1450 points
2nd place - Sweden 1411 points
3rd place - Austria 1321 points
4th place - France 1186 points
5th place - Poland 1151 points
6th place - United Kingdom, Queen’s Royal Hussars, 1140 points
7th place - USA 1100 points
8th place - Ukraine 950 points

And here's a list of tasks that were included, that was passed on by a friend:
3 shoot outs, platoon size
1 hand gun firing
1 tank recovery with NBC threat
1 IED attack, tank repair and wounded soldier
1 driving only by following the orders of the commander
1 find 40 targets and report them
1 manual firing using emergency mode

There were also 4 other tasks that were unlisted.
 
I'm guessing that's the "Driving blind by commander instruction" event.

And Good news, we beat the US.

Final scores:
1st place - Germany 1450 points
2nd place - Sweden 1411 points
3rd place - Austria 1321 points
4th place - France 1186 points
5th place - Poland 1151 points
6th place - United Kingdom, Queen’s Royal Hussars, 1140 points
7th place - USA 1100 points
8th place - Ukraine 950 points

And here's a list of tasks that were included, that was passed on by a friend:
3 shoot outs, platoon size
1 hand gun firing
1 tank recovery with NBC threat
1 IED attack, tank repair and wounded soldier
1 driving only by following the orders of the commander
1 find 40 targets and report them
1 manual firing using emergency mode

There were also 4 other tasks that were unlisted.


So LEO 2A* in variants came first, second and third ?

Interesting. Does that indicate that CR2 has fallen so far back in upgrades that LEO 2A* pisses all over it ?
 
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Tanks by ranks:

1st place - Leopard 2A6
2nd place - Stridsvagn 122
3rd place - Leopard 2A4
4th place - AMX-56 Leclerc
5th place - Leopard 2A5
6th place - Challenger II
7th place - M1A2 SEP
8th place - T-84U
 
So LEO 2A* in variants came first, second and third ?
And fifth as well.

Interesting. Does that indicate that CR2 has fallen so far back in upgrades that LEO 2A* pisses all over it ?
The UK still came out ahead of the Americans with their M1A2 SEP (according to the list by Listy). If it were strictly a matter of whose tank was newer, the Americans might have expected to place better. However, there is also the skill of the crew in the picture, which muddies the water somewhat.

However, either everyone who used Leopards is pretty awesome, or the Leopard is not a bad tank. Or a bit of both of course.
 
Or maybe the competition was biased towards Leopard users in some way (as every other military competition ever run is generally biased towards the hosts), either consciously or not.
 
Wonder if upgrading the optics and FCS on the CR2 might have improved the scores ?
Anybody here current with them and know how they compare with others?
That said, if we came out top, I suspect that might not help the CR2 upgrade too much.
 
Shades of the old Canadian Army Trophy (CAT) Meet, for them that can remember that far back.

A blessed relief when the Canadian Mech Bde was pulled out of Germany and took the damned thing with them as it was getting a bit embarrassing for BAOR units.
 

rampant

LE
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And fifth as well.


The UK still came out ahead of the Americans with their M1A2 SEP (according to the list by Listy). If it were strictly a matter of whose tank was newer, the Americans might have expected to place better. However, there is also the skill of the crew in the picture, which muddies the water somewhat.

However, either everyone who used Leopards is pretty awesome, or the Leopard is not a bad tank. Or a bit of both of course.

Also need to factor in how much time each team had to prepare for the event.

How much time do Cav Regiments get these days to play with their toys?
 

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