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#1
Telegraph Online said:
It took three miracles to make me listen to Christ, says Army chief

As a young soldier, Gen Sir Richard Dannatt inspired his men with his outstanding bravery and won the Military Cross for risking his life to save his comrades.

The new Chief of the General Staff believes, however, that he owes his survival in a series of near-death experiences to divine protection.

In a frank account of his conversion to evangelical Christianity, he describes how he came to realise that God had allowed him to cheat death while others around him perished, The Sunday Telegraph can reveal.

Full text here: Telegraph Online
 
#2
Fair one for having the courage to say that.

Hopefully people wont start chopsing about him commanding a ' new crusade' in Iraq!
 
#5
I hope this is not a case of a respectable figure watering down the support people hold for him by taking things a little too far and granting one too many interviews (until they say something negative that sticks)...

c.f

Glenn Hoddle, David Icke etc

Sadly they all seem intent on talking about their religion; a subject which tends to bring the worst quotes out of them.
 
#8
To be fair Gen Dannatt has been very open about his strong religious beliefs fo a long time, I seem to recall a clip on radio4 of him as a young officer in NI talking to songs of praise
 
#9
Torn on this one.

Soldier's perspective:

I don't care what he believes as long as he gets the job done and has our best interests at heart, which he undoubtedly does.

Jew's perspective:

I'm glad he wants to do good in life and that he believes there's a higher power than himself that he's accountable to (not you Blair, you cnut). It's difficult to express one's feelings towards God without coming across as a twat in modern society.

Sceptic's perspective:

Argh, I don't mind this being a Christian country, but not the fundies. There's a big difference between Christian and Christian Evangelist, IMHO, principally the belief of the latter that they're some kind of "divine aristocracy" that is favoured by God. Maybe God did save his life - we've all been lucky to survive one thing or another - but he should have some humility and not go on about how God is his best pal. Spoken to plenty of WWII vets with amazing survival stories (some who became padres afterwards), and none of them claimed that God killed other people around him until he "got the message".

Imagine Dannatt speaking to Major Willis's widow:
"Why did Peter die, Richard?"
"Because God challenged me to make a complete committment to Him."

Awkward...
 
#10
cheesypoptart said:
Imagine Dannatt speaking to Major Willis's widow:
"Why did Peter die, Richard?"
"Because God challenged me to make a complete committment to Him."

Awkward...
I don't think so. When all is said and done we are a resource, we are expendable. If lives have to be spent in achieving an aim - tough. That's what we we signed up for. All we should want is that those lives are not expended in a profligate way. I don't think the CGS wishes anything else either.
 
#11
And I suppose the real question is 'Does Dannatt's religion actually get in the way of him doing a proper job?' In any event, it's clear that he's a man of principle, if nothing else, and that is no bad thing.
 
#13
In all the years I have known Richard Dannatt I have never ever seen him discuss his faith (outside of 'Stars on Sunday' when we were in Cyprus in 1981) or try and ram it down anyone's throat. He is simply a quiet, committed Christian and a man of stong moral courage and conviction.
 
#14
Iolis said:
In all the years I have known Richard Dannatt I have never ever seen him discuss his faith (outside of 'Stars on Sunday' when we were in Cyprus in 1981) or try and ram it down anyone's throat. He is simply a quiet, committed Christian and a man of stong moral courage and conviction.
He also seems like a born leader.
 
#15
Indeed he is. I liked Richard Dannatt and respected him as a leader I would happily go to war with because I knew very well that he had my interests at heart, not his career, nor his next posting, nor his next CR - you could not help but like the man. Blokes like that are rare in many trades and professions and I am indeed privileged, as are many to have had him as their CO.
 
#16
He's paid to soldier not proselytize or preach.

I would rather he keeps his religious convictions to himself - they should be of little importance to anybody else. I, for one, do not share his religious convictions and am not desperately interested in his christian convictions; actually I am surprised that a man of his evident intellect really believes that god was looking out for him on those three occasions. I have also been in near-miss situations and not, for a single second, did I ever believe that god was looking out for me - I was just plain lucky.

Let's hope that some members of other beliefs do not take this opportunity to twist his comments into something that he never meant or wanted. I'll wager that there are some muslim devoutees studying his words now in order to twist them round to their warped agenda.

All that said - I reckon that he is an all round good egg and a brave man to boot - should do well for the Army in difficult circumstances.
 
#17
It took three miracles to make me listen to Christ, says Army chief
By Jonathan Wynne-Jones
Before we pigeon-hole the Gen. it's worth remembering the spin laid on his convictions by Mr Wynne-Jones.

I imagine the CGS cringes when he reads such articles, as it's grossly unlikely a man of CGS's stature comes to his faith after these three incidents alone, but rather after years and years of thought.

Good research shows most people make a commitment to the Christian faith after many years of thought and mainly through friendship with other Christians.

The article is weak journalese giving sensationalist emphasis. Why?
a) Those quotes look old
b) It appears Wynne-Jones had no interview the Gen. (but made it appear like fresh news)
c) Uses phrases like "Last night Terry Sanderson of VP of the secular society chundered..." which means he called this geezer last night to give immediacy to the story.
d) "In a frank account... the Sunday Telegraph reveals" - "The claims came..." = sschpinning madly as Wynne-Jones has found very old material (1970s) and twisted the tenses.

Lame, me thinks.

I suspect the Gen. never asked nor would countenance the spin on old quotes.
 
#18
BoomShackerLacker said:
Good research shows most people make a commitment to the Christian faith after many years of thought and mainly through friendship with other Christians.
What research would that be? And what is the correlation between friendship with other christians and a deeply held christian conviction?
 
#19
tattybadger said:
BoomShackerLacker said:
Good research shows most people make a commitment to the Christian faith after many years of thought and mainly through friendship with other Christians.
What research would that be? And what is the correlation between friendship with other christians and a deeply held christian conviction?
It was from independent research within a title called Finding Faith and I believe also from the Religious Trends annual studies. If I can find them on the Internet I'll post their details.
 
#20
tattybadger said:
... And what is the correlation between friendship with other christians and a deeply held christian conviction?
I probably may not have grasped this question but I recall the samples in the research were asked what were the key influencers in their 'journey' towards a committed Christian lifestyle. Strongly above books, church, ministers, other media etc, came the personal friendship of another Christian, as the main final influence in a decision to adopt the Christian faith. I think the research also pointed out for many they regarded their decision as a growing conviction over many years or so of thought and multiple key experiences which led them to conclude their search.
 

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