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CGS: British Army to get US style 'Commissioned Warrant Officers'?

Discussion in 'Current Affairs, News and Analysis' started by jim30, Jul 9, 2017.

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  1. Do they have to be saluted?
     
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  2. Doomed to fail, it's a bad thing and we'll not win any wars that way.

    Seriously don't think the problem will be at the Commissioned WO end of things and, lets face it, big decisions are taken at a level very far from what these CWO's will ever be likely to reach.
     
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  3. Only if their shirt sleeves are tucked in and their shirts rolled down :p
     
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  4. Not quite the game changer it seems at first glance

    We already do the same with professionally qualified solicitors and doctors, why not the same for say a cyber security expert into the RSigs?
     
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  5. Because it means CHANGE goddamnit and thats a bad thing... ;-)
     
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  6. Auld-Yin

    Auld-Yin LE Reviewer Book Reviewer Reviews Editor

    Must be too many LEs doing a good job and showing up the DEs. CWOs would just mean a reduction in LEs as directly recruited CWOs will do their jobs.
     
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  7. Any change to any department of the MoD (there you go I'm thinking about the CS as well ;) ) is likely to be treated with suspicion given the last few years.

    Seen many changes in the positive column?

    This seems like a quick, easy and simple win. There must be a sting in the tail somewhere.=D
     
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  8. Purple_Flash

    Purple_Flash LE Moderator

    Sensible indeed. Not unlike the Staff Corps being made a career option rather than an incredibly useful and valued voluntary service to the nation.
     
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  9. REME did it for a while with direct entry artificers,(so SSGT not WO) as with everything depends on the person I came across 3, 2 good blokes and one a tool who refused to listen to people who had been in a lot, lot longer than him. I was on guard duty with one who had just done basic training and had come over to the trade school. So we were both craftsman got talking and he was just off to do the mil part of the artificer course. Saw him again about 3 months later and he was the sgt guard commander!!!
     
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  10. When you commission something, you bring it into service.

    When you warrant something, you guarantee it will work!

    P.S. I never had the opportunity to call an RSM a "NIG" before?
     
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  11. Purple_Flash

    Purple_Flash LE Moderator

    Not sure about the idea of commissioned warrant officers though, it always seemed a oxymoron to me. You can't be both!

    I suppose that they could be given equivalent ranks like chaplains.

    So, for instance, you could have a system like:

    CSO (Commissioned Specialist Officer) 1 to 6 (= Col, Lt Col, Maj, Capt, Lt, 2Lt)

    And WSO (Warrant Specialist Officer) 1 and 2.

    And they would be no more threat to their peers at warrant level in a unit than a WO1 Bandmaster would be to the RSM - totally different spheres of influence and ways of working.
     
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  12. Am I missing something? DE&S posts at OF5 and above are 5 way competed (FLCs, CS, Civvy) as a matter of course. Can't see why shiny arse Army jobs in Andover etc couldn't be the same?
     
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  13. I can see a big downside to this in that by introducing this scheme you bugger up the promotion prospects to Warrant rank of a lot of people who have put in a lot of time and effort and who have extensive military knowledge.

    I unfortunately experienced Direct Entrant Artificers and Vehicle Articers (Air Techs) that transferred over from their original trade due to lack of places post successful selection boards, and I'd be very wary of such a scheme.

    In the case of REME, it was an excellent way of getting brilliant engineers into the Corps and VM world but a complete fail when they were put into combat situations either real or practice. It made a lot of potential Artificers very bitter, almost as bitter as passed over Artisans.
     
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  14. Purple_Flash

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    But the idea as I read it will be very different - you talk of combat situations when the article talks about personnel who will be distinctly technical and extremely rear echelon.
     
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