CGS: British Army to get US style 'Commissioned Warrant Officers'?

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Doomed to fail, it's a bad thing and we'll not win any wars that way.

Seriously don't think the problem will be at the Commissioned WO end of things and, lets face it, big decisions are taken at a level very far from what these CWO's will ever be likely to reach.
 
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Not quite the game changer it seems at first glance

Such recruitment is designed to make up for shortfalls in high-tech skills, but may clash with the military’s tradition of growing its own leaders.

Sir Nick stressed his scheme would not apply to the Army’s frontline fighting combat arms.
We already do the same with professionally qualified solicitors and doctors, why not the same for say a cyber security expert into the RSigs?
 
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Not quite the game changer it seems at first glance



We already do the same with professionally qualified solicitors and doctors, why not the same for say a cyber security expert into the RSigs?
Because it means CHANGE goddamnit and thats a bad thing... ;-)
 

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Any change to any department of the MoD (there you go I'm thinking about the CS as well ;) ) is likely to be treated with suspicion given the last few years.

Seen many changes in the positive column?

This seems like a quick, easy and simple win. There must be a sting in the tail somewhere.=D
 
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Sensible indeed. Not unlike the Staff Corps being made a career option rather than an incredibly useful and valued voluntary service to the nation.
 
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REME did it for a while with direct entry artificers,(so SSGT not WO) as with everything depends on the person I came across 3, 2 good blokes and one a tool who refused to listen to people who had been in a lot, lot longer than him. I was on guard duty with one who had just done basic training and had come over to the trade school. So we were both craftsman got talking and he was just off to do the mil part of the artificer course. Saw him again about 3 months later and he was the sgt guard commander!!!
 
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When you commission something, you bring it into service.

When you warrant something, you guarantee it will work!

P.S. I never had the opportunity to call an RSM a "NIG" before?
 
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Not sure about the idea of commissioned warrant officers though, it always seemed a oxymoron to me. You can't be both!

I suppose that they could be given equivalent ranks like chaplains.

So, for instance, you could have a system like:

CSO (Commissioned Specialist Officer) 1 to 6 (= Col, Lt Col, Maj, Capt, Lt, 2Lt)

And WSO (Warrant Specialist Officer) 1 and 2.

And they would be no more threat to their peers at warrant level in a unit than a WO1 Bandmaster would be to the RSM - totally different spheres of influence and ways of working.
 
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I can see a big downside to this in that by introducing this scheme you bugger up the promotion prospects to Warrant rank of a lot of people who have put in a lot of time and effort and who have extensive military knowledge.

I unfortunately experienced Direct Entrant Artificers and Vehicle Articers (Air Techs) that transferred over from their original trade due to lack of places post successful selection boards, and I'd be very wary of such a scheme.

In the case of REME, it was an excellent way of getting brilliant engineers into the Corps and VM world but a complete fail when they were put into combat situations either real or practice. It made a lot of potential Artificers very bitter, almost as bitter as passed over Artisans.
 
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I can see a big downside to this in that by introducing this scheme you bugger up the promotion prospects to Warrant rank of a lot of people who have put in a lot of time and effort and who have extensive military knowledge.

I unfortunately experienced Direct Entrant Artificers and Vehicle Articers (Air Techs) that transferred over from their original trade due to lack of places post successful selection boards, and I'd be very wary of such a scheme.

In the case of REME, it was an excellent way of getting brilliant engineers into the Corps and VM world but a complete fail when they were put into combat situations either real or practice. It made a lot of potential Artificers very bitter, almost as bitter as passed over Artisans.
But the idea as I read it will be very different - you talk of combat situations when the article talks about personnel who will be distinctly technical and extremely rear echelon.
 
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If it brings in some extra talent who will add great value, then why not? The Army needs changes like this suggestion, it needs them badly.
 
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But the real, real bugbear for any old sweat on ARRSE will be the dreaded return to the site of a US warrant officer bleating about needing to be saluted by UK troops.
 

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And they would be no more threat to their peers at warrant level in a unit than a WO1 Bandmaster would be to the RSM - totally different spheres of influence and ways of working.
I think that's bang on. We need to recruit specialists wearing green and this is a great way to do it in an organisation that seems unable to get its head round rank-free environments. Their WO's rank will be treated with the importance it deserves, but won't be seen in the same light as a WO from the traditional path. Rather like DE and LE Captains - theoretically the same rank but there's a world of difference between the QM and a second tour platoon commander.
 

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