CFAV with a conviction

#1
Good evening all. I expect incoming for this, as I do truly deserve it.

In Nov 2008 I was convicted of driving whilst unfit through drink. I was away from my Cadet Unit at the time and for about a year afterwards, I forgot to inform them of this issue.

I got my license back in Dec 2009 and am now a fully reformed character.

Will I get the book thrown at me when I need to renew my CRB next year?

Thanks in advance.

GT.
 

B_AND_T

MIA
Book Reviewer
#2
You could always hang yourself.

If you can't be trusted to be sensible with your car, looking after kids doesn't bode well.
 
#3
Admittedly I did say I expected incoming, so thanks for that.

I understand your point, it was a very stupid mistake of mine. And I otherwise have an unblemished Cadet and Civvie record.
 
#4
Admittedly I did say I expected incoming, so thanks for that.

I understand your point, it was a very stupid mistake of mine. And I otherwise have an unblemished Cadet and Civvie record.
Cadet and civvy record? Are they not both the same? You're a youth leader with a DPM fetish not a stormer of embassies. Take your own life you groomer.
 

B_AND_T

MIA
Book Reviewer
#5
Doesn't really tie in with you being attested in Jan 07!

Get kicked out for D&D?
 

maninblack

LE
Book Reviewer
#6
It is down to the County Commandant/CEO to decide.

I know of one character who was accepted both as a CFAV and later did the board to become a cardboard officer.
 
#7
Well spotted BandT! Dont people realise you can easily check peoples previous posts? So what happened to your TA career?

Aside from that, I would hope it doesn't affect your ability to be a youth leader. Although they might say you cant drive a minibus?
 
#8
The TA was informed of my 'incident' and I continued there for another 18 months before moving away from the area.

Thanks to those who have been positive. I know I probably won't be able to drive a minibus, but I still have more that I can do.
 
#10
Good evening all. I expect incoming for this, as I do truly deserve it.

In Nov 2008 I was convicted of driving whilst unfit through drink. I was away from my Cadet Unit at the time and for about a year afterwards, I forgot to inform them of this issue.

I got my license back in Dec 2009 and am now a fully reformed character.

Will I get the book thrown at me when I need to renew my CRB next year?

Thanks in advance.

GT.

Twisty, This will be up to your County Commandant to decide. But if you are going to leave this until your next CRB before it comes to light then you will be in trouble. Your non-declaration of the offence would be regarded as evasiveness. In an organisation that requires CFAVs to be open about their histories, this would not bode well. Most likely you would be discharged with all the negative conotations that go with it.

Far better for you too seek an interview with your County Commandant without delay and explain yourself properly.

You might still be discharged because it's regarded as a serious matter, but being open and comming clean is your best chance.

Besides, it's the right thing to do.
 
#11
Good evening all. I expect incoming for this, as I do truly deserve it.

In Nov 2008 I was convicted of driving whilst unfit through drink. I was away from my Cadet Unit at the time and for about a year afterwards, I forgot to inform them of this issue.

I got my license back in Dec 2009 and am now a fully reformed character.

Will I get the book thrown at me when I need to renew my CRB next year?

Thanks in advance.

GT.
Were you serving in the ACF at the time? Looks like you were, so that might not bode well. If you didn't report because you were NEP from the county you might get away with it, but I don't think you will. Why did you not report it immediately? Why were you driving whilst unfit through drink (I've not heard this phrase before. Is this just over the limit or utterly wankered driving south on the northbound lane of the M6, being chased by a helicopter and 7 police Rovers?)

Its 2 years since the offence, so you may be reformed, but the ACF has had to take a tough line on the adult mess monsters and the drinking culture that was not uncommon in some counties. The ACF today is rightly very concerned with it reputation among it CFAV peers, the MOD and the parents who entrust their children to it in loco parentis.

Contact the padre for advice. Contact your Coy Cdr and the CEO, then if needs be the commandant. Get their advice and try and get at least one if not all, on side.

What is certain is if you don't cough to it on the CRB form, you will be sacked.

I think a lot of this will probably boil down to whether you are a bon oeuf or a cock. If the former, you will probably come out unscathed, if the latter, you are probably toast. You aren't the first CFAV to have a rap sheet.
 
#12
I was on the ACFs books, but wasn't actively serving with them as I was in a different part of the country. The driving whilst unfit through drink is just the official line for it.

Not sure what bon oeuf means, but I am a reformed character. I don't go anywhere near my car if I've even had a sip of alcohol and don't drive the next day if I have been drinking heavily.

It will go on the CRB form, I don't plan on intentionally hiding it. It wasn't reported immediately as I informed the TA, who I was activiely serving with at the time and presumed it would go onto the same record.
 

B_AND_T

MIA
Book Reviewer
#13
I was on the ACFs books, but wasn't actively serving with them as I was in a different part of the country. The driving whilst unfit through drink is just the official line for it.

Not sure what bon oeuf means, but I am a reformed character. I don't go anywhere near my car if I've even had a sip of alcohol and don't drive the next day if I have been drinking heavily.

It will go on the CRB form, I don't plan on intentionally hiding it. It wasn't reported immediately as I informed the TA, who I was activiely serving with at the time and presumed it would go onto the same record.
So the last 2 years don't count then?
 

B_AND_T

MIA
Book Reviewer
#16
I wasn't intentionally hiding it. I have only properly come back to the ACF in the last few months.
I am sure that it wasn't intentional to get caught, but you still did.
 
#17
Even so Twisty, rather than wait for CRB time to come around. Speak up and declare it. Explain that you had told the TA and thought that would suffice, and you didn't mean to be evasive over it. If your commandant thinks you're a "good egg" and not a coq you still stand a chance of not being discharged.
 
#18
I think you have every right not to have disclosed it to your cadet unit and may not be penalised for it, providing that you explain to them that due to you not serving with the county at the time, you did not feel that it affected their operations. If you add that immediately after doing it, you suffered from depression over the incident and found it difficult to confide in people about it, including your doctor, and only informed the TA unit as it may have affected your service with them it will probably help. There are plenty of websites that can offer you the symptoms of depression and it is likely that nobody at the cadet unit will be any the wiser.

Most of the world uses the depression line to get away with stuff.
 
#19
I think you have every right not to have disclosed it to your cadet unit and may not be penalised for it, providing that you explain to them that due to you not serving with the county at the time, you did not feel that it affected their operations. If you add that immediately after doing it, you suffered from depression over the incident and found it difficult to confide in people about it, including your doctor, and only informed the TA unit as it may have affected your service with them it will probably help. There are plenty of websites that can offer you the symptoms of depression and it is likely that nobody at the cadet unit will be any the wiser.

Most of the world uses the depression line to get away with stuff.
Yeah that will really do it. Shows a fine upstanding character. Parents will be so happy to entrust their kids to a depressive. Might as well just quit if that if it came to that option. Better than being discharged and having the taint of being unsound following you around everafter.
 
#20
Yeah that will really do it. Shows a fine upstanding character. Parents will be so happy to entrust their kids to a depressive. Might as well just quit if that if it came to that option. Better than being discharged and having the taint of being unsound following you around everafter.
I don't know if you've ever heard of the Data Protection Act but it does not permit for an ACF county to reveal to the parents that one of their CFAVs has suffered from depression. NCOs who suffer from depression of any sort do not have the details of their medical condition shared with their soldiers by the CoC, do they? So why would CFAVs be an exception to the Data Protection Act, it's not like a sexual offence is it?

I was simply pointing out that the 'It led me into depression and I didn't want to talk about it, and further cannot explain my behaviour during that time' excuse can get people out of a lot of situations whereby they wish they'd done something that they didn't.

And personally, if it were my kids, seeing that cadets get packed up in a minibus driven by a CFAV to go away at the weekends, it would not be the 'used to be depressed' part of the story that bothered me.
 
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