Ceremonial Duties

Well there we have, big savings to be had, cut out all the middle men and adopt the French model.

PD troops outside Building, backstopped by MODpol and/or Met to do any arresting etc.
Like we already have?

Cut straight to the chase. Dedicated permanent PD regiment formed from the Military Police who also provide paramilitary support to the Met.
Why would we want to do that when we don't have general military support to the police in the UK? What would they do?

I doubt the Met are particularly interested in having a few RMP helping them, I doubt the RMP are particularly interested in helping the Met out, the RMP would have to be expanded to cope with the extra duties, uniforms etc would have to be purchased that were suitable for parading for Royalty (and you can carry on using your hilariously inaccurate 'Ruritarian' joke ad nauseam). All as a solution to a problem that very few people really think is a problem or particularly give a shit about.

Your arguments are just pathetic, based on nothing other than 'I don't like it' which you can't back up with anything like a coherent justification for your stance and now you're flailing round trying to find an argument that actually works.
 
Whilst they may be nice to look at, they serve no practical purpose and will be very, very expensive. What other animals do our army vets look after? A few dogs? Maybe the odd goat? And that will be subbed out to a local civvy.



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When a brigade deploys to an overseas location on ex or ops, who do you suppose is responsible for certifying the safety of host nation potable water sources and meat, plus the fitness of any animals deployed? I might suggest that RAVC officers and staff are actually quite important as part of any military deployment.
 
Yep, that sounds utterly dogshit.

I do like you plan to save money by procuring a full new set of old style uniforms (I thought we didn't like old style uniforms?) for the entire army, enough SMLEs and bayonets for the ceremonial units as well a whole new drill course to cover the rifle drill for the Lee Enfield though. Utter brilliance.
As someone who was briefly involved in provision of ceremonial items for the Army, I can assure you that most specialist items of regalia across all three services have long since been provided at Regimental, Corps, or service expense as opposed to a cost to the public purse.
 

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And are the 500 odd nags mission essential?
Depends what the mission is. If the mission is to provide the King's Trop RHA and the HCR Mounted Regt for ceremonial duties I'd say that the donkeys are not just essential but mission critical.

We, as soldiers, don't define the mission. The government, on behalf of the nation does that and the Government wants ceremonial. If they want us to empty bins, fight fires, make flood defences or dispose of mad cows then that's the mission.

Of course we have certain constitutional responsibilities to the defence of the realm and it would be up to senior officer to advise the government if some of the niff naff and trivia was damaging that or to secure more funds to pay for things the government wants us to do and isn't currently funding. Advise that is. It's still up to the government to decide.




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Forgive my ignorance, but is that not a task for the Environmental Health Technicians of the RAMC?

Or am I misinformed?
You're correct about the water but vets have an interest in local meat and also in zoonosis and other threats from fauna.


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Forgive my ignorance, but is that not a task for the Environmental Health Technicians of the RAMC?

Or am I misinformed?
The Force Vet declared our bath unit site suitable for showers, but advised against drinking it, in a remote region of Turkey. The US Engineers water purification plant who were collocated at the same site were also advised by the UK (AMF)L RAVC officer.
Our bath unit was temporarily out of order due to a sheeps head being sucked into the impeller of our bath unit water pump.
The force Vet had to come back and declare our unit fit for purpose.
 
When a brigade deploys to an overseas location on ex or ops, who do you suppose is responsible for certifying the safety of host nation potable water sources and meat, plus the fitness of any animals deployed? I might suggest that RAVC officers and staff are actually quite important as part of any military deployment.
Yes. Overseas. I have no more questions.


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I'd love to know the name of the Guardsman who spurned SO1's advances!
Silly boy it will be a horse or worst a rider!!!!

Now then that over with perhaps the Army/MoD could be a little more open work within the FoI at and let the Govt defend the Geegees rather than crusty Colonel Horse-Ryder!
 
I'd love to know the name of the Guardsman who spurned SO1's advances!
I suspect he was trying to shag a horse and got kicked where it hurts. Nothing else would explain his obsessive fixation about horses.
 
Silly boy it will be a horse or worst a rider!!!!

Now then that over with perhaps the Army/MoD could be a little more open work within the FoI at and let the Govt defend the Geegees rather than crusty Colonel Horse-Ryder!

Well, the US Army makes no secret of its ceremonial Old Guard gee gee force. Just 52 gee gees and 56 blokes who ride and look after them.
The gee gees who's turn it is out at pasture also double up as recreational gee gees for convalescing soldiers.

Hmmm, lets see…

US Army, 1,100,000 strong = 52 ceremonial gee gees

British Army, soon to be 80,000 strong = 500 ceremonial gee gees

They also manage with equally small ratios of ceremonial troops in period costumery.
I think there is something wrong with our ceremonial script.
 
Well, the US Army makes no secret of its ceremonial Old Guard gee gee force. Just 52 gee gees and 56 blokes who ride and look after them.
We're taking our ceremonial lead from a country that's younger than some of the buildings I've slept in now then? Why is the ceremonial policy of the US military relevant to the policy of the UK any more than that of France, Sweden, Italy, Russia or any of the other nations in the world that have soldiers who dress up nice occasionally?
 

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Well, the US Army makes no secret of its ceremonial Old Guard gee gee force. Just 52 gee gees and 56 blokes who ride and look after them.
The gee gees who's turn it is out at pasture also double up as recreational gee gees for convalescing soldiers.

Hmmm, lets see…

US Army, 1,100,000 strong = 52 ceremonial gee gees

British Army, soon to be 80,000 strong = 500 ceremonial gee gees

They also manage with equally small ratios of ceremonial troops in period costumery.
I think there is something wrong with our ceremonial script.
The people who tell us what to do don't agree with you. Be a good fellow: stand to attention, turn to the right, salute and jog off. If that's too much ceremony for you then just foxtrot oscar in your own time.


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I've just been told by a Canadian I'm on exercise with that the idea that their PD is done by actors is 'retarded'. They are drawn from all branches of the military. Many but not all of them are reservists who are students and do this duty in their long summer holiday.

I also found a Wiki page: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ceremonial_Guard


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I've just been told by a Canadian I'm on exercise with that the idea that their PD is done by actors is 'retarded'. They are drawn from all branches of the military. Many but not all of them are reservists who are students and do this duty in their long summer holiday.

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The drama student bit was what was explained to me by relatives in Canada including one who used to be in that militia regt, Canadian Grenadier gds! He explained that they enkist in the militia for the summer, and get 2 weeks drill training to do the summer guard job and the equity card then aren't seen again as they tend to train fresh ones each season! If that isn't acting then what is? They have to "enlist" to be trained, get uniforms and weapons but they aren't considered part of the service by the normal militia persons who deploy on ops!
What's retarded about that? I suppose its as retarded as OTC doing the royal tournament?
 

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The drama student bit was what was explained to me by relatives in Canada including one who used to be in that militia regt, Canadian Grenadier gds! He explained that they enkist in the militia for the summer, and get 2 weeks drill training to do the summer guard job and the equity card then aren't seen again as they tend to train fresh ones each season! If that isn't acting then what is? They have to "enlist" to be trained, get uniforms and weapons but they aren't considered part of the service by the normal militia persons who deploy on ops!
What's retarded about that? I suppose its as retarded as OTC doing the royal tournament?
I was quoting someone else. Perhaps the truth lies somewhere between the two. Let's face it how many times have you heard someone characterise an organisation based on one or two people they've met? According to some all reservists are unemployed dust men yet others insist they're all city businessmen.


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