Ceremonial Duties

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#1
In the same way that MPGS are used to fulfil the role of guard duties, is there any merit in the idea of having a similar sort of regiment to carry out ceremonial duties, thus leaving the Army to concentrate on army type stuff?
Or should it stay part and parcel of some soldiers' roles.
 

BuggerAll

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#2
No.
 
#3
Our own version of the US "Old Guard"?

Why not?
 
#4
Our own version of the US "Old Guard"?

Why not?
Because then the whole Household division would look liek the Kings troop - Gong-less war dodging swines.

Also, for those that have done it, Ceremonial duties does have a big impact on a soldiers personal admin skills, thus benefiting them when on operational duties.

Besides, I couldn't image a civvie working the hours in Knightsbridge for less then £30,000 per year, usually 10 hours days and 7 days a week, that's not including kit cleaning for QLG / Escorts etc - That's a good 10 hours per guard / escort.
 
#5
Because then the whole Household division would look liek the Kings troop - Gong-less war dodging swines.

Also, for those that have done it, Ceremonial duties does have a big impact on a soldiers personal admin skills, thus benefiting them when on operational duties.

Besides, I couldn't image a civvie working the hours in Knightsbridge for less then £30,000 per year, usually 10 hours days and 7 days a week, that's not including kit cleaning for QLG / Escorts etc - That's a good 10 hours per guard / escort.
The Spams seem to manage it ok. Why would it be too difficult for us?
 

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#6
Been done, I think. Didn't the Czechs, or someone like that, get a load of 'resting' actors to do their ceremonial guard somewhere? If they just have to stand there (as do those in Horseguards) then it's easy enough.

Similarly, a good few nations use conscripts for this - the guards on Makarios' tomb in Cyprus, for example, used to be (probably still are) conscripts who do just that - and are trained for nothing else. Makes sense, I suppose. And if actors were used, they would get Equity rates, and that's not a lot. It's certainly an awful lot less than a Soldier, of pretty much any rank, once you take the full costs into the equation (training, housing, pension, medical, dental, etc)/
 
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#8
I thought the whole point was that the Queen's Guard was composed of real fighting soldiers with teeth, so to speak. If you're going to have an MPGS equivalent do it then the tourist board might aswell recruit gap year students to put on a bearskin and mount the Guard.
 
#9
Are the Yeomen of the Tower of London pretty much that? Dont see them carry many weapons to protect the Crown Jewels with...
 
#11
Don't the Canadians have something like this?

Why not recruit ex members or soon to leave members of The Household Division to stay on and do it. Added to a pension might be to some people's liking, not everyone's though.
 
#14
Part of the attraction to joining the Guards or Household Cav is that you get to do this kinda stuff. Lads I've met who did it said they enjoyed the fact that American tourist girls would write down their phone numbers and drop it down your wader or in your belt. The problem being that you couldn't remember what numbers belonged to the good looking ones.

I was also told that when they made dates and went to meet them, the lasses would be gutted to find them turn up in smart civvies, and not red tunics.
 
#16
In the same way that MPGS are used to fulfil the role of guard duties, is there any merit in the idea of having a similar sort of regiment to carry out ceremonial duties, thus leaving the Army to concentrate on army type stuff?
Or should it stay part and parcel of some soldiers' roles.
It should stay as part and parcel of the soldiers role.

However the RGR done QG Ceremonial Duties this year after a rather significant time lapse so this shows it could be done with other non Ft Gd's, RAF & RN equivalent type personel given the training.

Mind you I'm not sure how well the idea woud sound at Horseguards.
 
#17
Has been and always should be service personnel. These duties instil personnel discipline and pride in ones presentation. Tradition, it’s what we do best and that what is expected of us , the best .

Do you realy want some minimum wage G4s type sloppy drilled, (if indeed they turn up for duty ) person of doubtful loyalty on guard.

Must go, urine now simmering….

Guardsman WW
 
#19
Why not recruit ex members or soon to leave members of The Household Division to stay on and do it. Added to a pension might be to some people's liking, not everyone's though.
After 22 years, you'd have no one in that had done it though... so they may not stay on.

ALL units are (or can) be rotated through, but the Guards are the best known.

I'd prefer a split in the Guards Div (similar to HCR) with Op units and PD units.

There s precedence in history (HCR was formed up and disbanded routinely to allow the Donkey Wallopers to deploy) for a joint capbadge reservist unit.

Royal Guards Reserve Regiment was formed in 1900 to 1901 (second boer war) and even took part in a troop.

Merge the 3 incrementals in to the 'Machine Gun Guards' (a world war 1 amalgamation, and short lived 6th Foot Guards Regiment' and bobs your dad.

3 regular Bns to do stags, backed up by a formation of old timers, 3 bns to do ops, backed up by the London Regt.
 

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