Celeb chefs...knob or not?

Are celebrity chefs:

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#1
These days chefs seem to be almost like pop stars. Jamie here, Gordon there. Obviously unlike the average X factor output in our pop charts, these boys have paid their dues in a series of progressively better jobs until the blossomed into big name brands.

However what are they like as people, once the camera stops rolling?

Gordon Ramsey is one of the most controversial and his foul-mouthed public persona is used to denigrate his undoubted cooking skills and business acumen. Well, in my personal experience he is a very nice straight up guy. He cooked a meal for TFB and I at Petrus, when it was still on St James Street. In one of his breaks he was loitering near the door, where TFB was smoking a tab.

He made sure she and her mate got lights et cetera and stopped to chat and asked insightful questions, our answers to which you felt he was cataloguing for later refinement of his "brand".

He came over to the table later and had a quick chat again and was a thoroughly decent bloke.

Over the past years he has got bigger and better and his books, programmes et cetera are the most useful for aspiring cooks. He recently cooked for a friend of mine and said he would send him an autographed copy of his latest tome to illustrate a cooking technique. Steve was gob-smacked when not only did the book appear, there was a note further explaining the cooking technique he had been interested. No charge.

He is also pro-forces and has raised money for services charities with his marathon running. My verdict is Ramsey - sound lad.

Anymore for anymore or any disputing big G's culinary saintliness?
 
#2
having trained as a chef in the long past mists of time, duty cook at the last supper was not a good gig, i find most cookery programs pump...however i do find Gordon Jamie and not forgetting mr river cottage Hugh's programs entertaining at most while jamie at times seems to be in need of a STFU when he gets all excited they all skilled artisans.

Also they all have tried to show the link between good eating and good food is more than just sustance.

Did also enjoy watching Gordon on woodbury recently brought back a few memoirs of the tunnels and the tics...
 

ugly

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#3
Need a most of the time option on there, they do go on but at least its not about global warming whilst jetting around in their own 737s like certain septic fillum stars. HFW for me is great fun and Ramsay whilst being a PW and self publicist at least brings the high and mighty down a peg or two!
 

ugly

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#4
3 times round my beautiful hotplate GO!
 
#5
Clarissa Dickson-Wright should not be forgotten. Her game recipes in particular are excellent; she is a passionate supporter of country sports, and turned down an invitation to cook at 10 Downing Street because she disliked Bliar so much.
 
#6
ViroBono said:
Clarissa Dickson-Wright should not be forgotten. Her game recipes in particular are excellent; she is a passionate supporter of country sports, and turned down an invitation to cook at 10 Downing Street because she disliked Bliar so much.
I didn't know that; that's a good start to the day for me then. I thought that the programme that she did with Johnny Scott was terrific
 
#7
Mrs Fox and myself have been to 2 of big Gordies restaurants recently, Gordon Ramsay at Claridges and Gordon Ramsay at Royal Hospital Road.

Claridges was alright but very impersonal, quite a dingy atmosphere as well. 7 course meal, each course small and not great.
Hospital Road was excellent, QA cocktail party at the Hospital, a couple of beers with the in-pensioners then a wander up the road for our reservation. Small, bright restaurant and very friendly staff. 3 course meal with a free extra course inbetween each one! At the end of the meal we were given a 'tree' thing with little round posh chocolate things on each branch to have with our coffee and as we left the manager gave Mrs Fox a fair sized box of the chocs inside a velvety bag with Gordon Ramsays signature discreetly embroided on it.

The staff knew their stuff and were very chatty but not annoyingly at your side every 2 minutes. There are only 12 tables and only 3 of those were occupied. An offer to have a look at the kitchen and a taxi waiting for us as when we were ready to leave.

Totally recommend the on one the Royal Hospital Road (£1 from each bill used to go to the Royal Hospital Chelsea, not sure if it still does) if you have a spare £100 or so, but book well in advance.

Just as a side note, when you ring to make a reservation at any of Ramsays places, regardless of the restaurant that you ring your call is actually answered at a central reservation office, if they cannot book you in at the restaurant that youd like they will offer you a reservation at a nearby one (if in London). They take a fair bit of info about you and if you do ring again in the future they chat as if they know you well.
 

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#8
happybonzo said:
ViroBono said:
Clarissa Dickson-Wright should not be forgotten. Her game recipes in particular are excellent; she is a passionate supporter of country sports, and turned down an invitation to cook at 10 Downing Street because she disliked Bliar so much.
I didn't know that; that's a good start to the day for me then. I thought that the programme that she did with Johnny Scott was terrific
Very strong rumours in the sporting field that this particular program finished her media career at the Beeb. Nothing like taxpayers money being spent impartially by the Guardian reading tofu munchers is there? That said I would refuse to meet and ass kiss any politician at the moment. I worked really quite hard to get a freight terminal open in the midlands and was ordered to meet and greet 2 jags. Needless to say they were soon disabused of this idea and I was allowed to carry on working as before.
 
#9
I think most of the celeb chefs are wasters, especially the ones who do things like 'Ready Steady Cook' and 'Cant Cook Wont Cook'. Jamie Oliver has ruined school dinners and his 'cor blimey' accent has returned to its actual posh bloke one.
 
#10
ugly said:
happybonzo said:
ViroBono said:
Clarissa Dickson-Wright should not be forgotten. Her game recipes in particular are excellent; she is a passionate supporter of country sports, and turned down an invitation to cook at 10 Downing Street because she disliked Bliar so much.
I didn't know that; that's a good start to the day for me then. I thought that the programme that she did with Johnny Scott was terrific
Very strong rumours in the sporting field that this particular program finished her media career at the Beeb. Nothing like taxpayers money being spent impartially by the Guardian reading tofu munchers is there? That said I would refuse to meet and ass kiss any politician at the moment. I worked really quite hard to get a freight terminal open in the midlands and was ordered to meet and greet 2 jags. Needless to say they were soon disabused of this idea and I was allowed to carry on working as before.
I suspect that the lefties at the Broon Broadcasting Corporation dislike her refusal to compromise on matters of principle and her intellectual ability to dismiss their politically correct arguments.

Her autobiography is a cracking read, and a lesson in triumph over adversity.
 
#11
I quite like 'The Hairy Bikers' brand of cooking show,down to earth & not poncy,the new Kieth Floyd's if you will. Floyd himself was very good in his day & he does'nt forget his Army roots either.not afraid to have a bevvy or two & make a fool of himself.
As for Gary Rhodes,well his arrogance came out during the recent 'Rhodes around India'. UKTV Food website was innundated with complaints about his arrogant behaviour.I mean imagine telling a 3 star Indian Chef who's been cooking for over 20 odd years how to cook a Indian Curry! I myself watched the first two episodes & then did'nt anymore he was so offputting to the viewer.
 

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#12
Rhodes has always been a tit!
 
#13
Rhodes has always had a knack for turning classic dishes into cold, featureless sculptures. Technical prowess he has in abundance, but he seems more interested in showing off this side of his cooking than he does trying to sell the dish.

Most TV chefs are more than capable craftsmen, otherwise they would never have risen to fame in the first place. It's unfortunate, however, that most of these chefs try to create a selling point and focus on that, instead of by simply producing inspiring dishes. Gordon's swearing and Jamie's 'street-cred' (he thinks so anyway) smack of attention seeking more than a genuine insight to their characters.
 
#14
Kith Floyd was an alcoholic twunt but when he had his place (one of his places?) in Clifton, he actively encouraged our Battery officers to come in and drink. Mainly by buying every other round, which is apparently his business model - which explains why he keeps going bust!
 
#15
Caftsmen? So's the guy who fitted my kitchen units, but that doesn't give him the right to strut around my television screen every time it's on (which is becoming rare nowadays) acting like Robert Mugabe on election day.

They're only cooks, good I'll grant you, but at the end of the day that's all they are. They're not raconteurs, singers, politicians and they're not even particularly bright, their intellectual contribution to society would barely cover a postage stamp, they are "celebrities" only because that status has been engineered by daytime TV producers trying to make cheap programming for consumption by people whose only experience of haute cuisine is to buy their microwave meals from Marks and Spencers.

Let's just say I don't find it particularly entertaining

/counts slowly to ten and takes deep breaths
 

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#16
pyrogenica said:
Caftsmen? So's the guy who fitted my kitchen units, but that doesn't give him the right to strut around my television screen every time it's on (which is becoming rare nowadays) acting like Robert Mugabe on election day.

They're only cooks, good I'll grant you, but at the end of the day that's all they are. They're not raconteurs, singers, politicians and they're not even particularly bright, their intellectual contribution to society would barely cover a postage stamp, they are "celebrities" only because that status has been engineered by daytime TV producers trying to make cheap programming for consumption by people whose only experience of haute cuisine is to buy their microwave meals from Marks and Spencers.

Let's just say I don't find it particularly entertaining

/counts slowly to ten and takes deep breaths
Agreed but I find HFW informative despite him being sacked for being the messiest chef in the riverside restaurant. He has had no formal car=tering trg but then neither did the ACC! :oops:
Anyway most of these are puffed up by the tofu munchers in scheduling who think they know what we want.
I would live without tv if I had no family!
The best prog which incidently wasnt centred around the celeb chef although they used to introduce one each week was that BBC 2 (?) prog Food, the one where a pub owner would show how to create meals and the booze to go with it. They also did the abbotoir special!
Very good but unfortunately where Blumenthal got his first mass media exposure!
They did a good one where they built their own pizza ovens outside!
 
#17
Gordon seems a thoroughly reasonable chap - he expects respect where it is deserved and doesn't beat around the bush. Straight-talking and to the point, my kind of chap.

However, Hugh Fearnley-Whittingstall gets the nod from me for his incredible use of game and not being afraid of bizarre cuts of meat/offal and that he's not afraid at all of where his meat comes from...I remember him taking his pigs to slaughter and bringing along a jug for their blood as he wanted to make black puddings. His book 'MEAT' is well worth buying - and even if you don't read it, its useful as a dumbbell.
 

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#18
Of all the ills in the world, and all the reprehensible scumbags out there (and you can include gang-banging footballers, politicos, dictators, the press and others in that) and on our screens or in the press, there are nowt so honest as them that deal in food (glooooriouuus fooooood).

They're the only programs that both the missus and I like to watch together. Here you have these 'celebrity' chefs, either cleavaging or swearing their way through a program, (sometimes gaining cult status) in order that they, at the end of the program can say 'tadaaaa, here is a plate of fine food, and the methodology on how to make it, are ya salivating yet, well, are ya, huh?'. For me, the answer is invariably 'YES! Gimme some of that foood!'.

An honest to god, steaming (or not) plate of fine food. You just can't beat it.
 
#19
Sure Ainsley Harriot started out on TV playing the kiddies television co-host on Hale & Pace as well as a few parts on Red Dwarf. Horse & Country shown a good programme a few weeks back with Matthew Fort called 'The Foragers Field Guide' which was good.I have HFW's Meat Book & it's brilliant.In fact after I read bit's of it I wont buy my meat in a supermarket again.
 
#20
Did I hear on some radio programme or other the other day that Anthony Worrall-Thompson has pocketed £60million from his efforts? Twat.

If you want a real nightmare-generation experience, look at this page.

Still, I'd give Sophie Grigson a run around the orchard.
 

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