CCRF "Training"

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  1. Just had a CCRF 'exercise' this weekend, maybe some of you were on it. As far as I was concerned it was a waste of time, to be fair there was some low level training which the new guys might have benefited from, but there was also a lot of unecessary briefing on issues which did not concern the lower ranks. I'm sure the time would have been spent more productively actually having the CCRF respond to an incident, the actual type would not matter much as the drills on the ground would be pretty much the same in any event. Any thoughts guys?
     
  2. I was probably sat in the same chapel as you, it was a waste of time & MTDs. The briefings were aimed at higher levels and not specific to the guys on the ground. The hands on side was very basic and nothing that any unit could not be capable of handling at short notice even the RNR!
    Constant references to operations overseas by speakers and stands bore zero relevance, we are there to deal with emergency at home, the mindset is just not there (yet).
    The day is just there as a tick in the box for the higher levels, perhaps the CPX bore some relevance but that was not attended by most.
    Our unit knew that the day would be 'pants' as it had been in previous years, it just appears to get worse.
     
  3. They normally do, which Bde was playing this weekend?
     
  4. It was a London District ex.
    I've raised points with my boss but the response was, 'next time we are going to run a proper exercise, but it won't be for at least a year, maybe 2!!' Lets just hope they don't try anything in the meantime eh.
     
  5. How many times have we heard, 'next time we will do it properly' sort of thing. I am very sceptical. As ever, if & when there is an incident, we will muddle through as best we can with what we have, always the way.

    The best part of the day (besides going home) was the ROE presentation, unfortunately it was first on, so everything was downhill from that point.
     
  6. Just been looking at various websites to see how the ANG responded to Katrina, they mainly supplied search and rescue, humanitarian relief, security, transportation, communications, medical assistance and debris removal.

    So where does the CCRF fit into that: Units needed would be Inf/Cav (search and rescue), RMP (security), RLC (transportation), RSigs (comms), AMS (medical) and REng

    On the last few CCRF exercises I've been on, the goverment offices have all made similar requests. So why are we taking Engineers, medics, drivers etc and placing them into CCRF? Wouldn't it have been better to leave them where they are, to ease management.
     
  7. This is specialised work, where is the training and equipment in real time within the constraints of funding and MTDs? Dont think right angle torches, white mine tape, etc will quite do the trick somehow.
     
  8. Quite, the only thing remotely useful was the stand on evidence handling kit, and god knows how many of us will ever see any of that kit again or even if we remember what it does in a months time.
    To me its a no brainer to run a realistic scenario in Copehill down to get drills and skills sorted, but I guess this is too simple to occur to the head shed
     
  9. CCRF- see civil defense in days gone by.

    TA I'm sure would not get a look in until the "incident" had been running for at least a week and even then the incident would have to be massive!!
     
  10. The failure of suitable CCRF training is down to the liaison officers failing to do their jobs. With a little bit of effort, units could run joint training exercises with the civvy blue light services on a regular basis. It would be relevant and interesting and who knows, might even help retention....
     
  11. No it isn't, that would involve the CCRF Bn's fun stuff like VCP's, patrols, armed cordons etc

    Wrong. Yes it may take time for the CCRF Bns to form but they aren't the only TA part of the equation.
     
  12. In a MACA task, the forces (CCRF or otherwise) are likely to be deployed on GD tasks under the supervision of civil authorities.

    Likely tasks are cordons, reception centres, logistical, search etc.

    The reason the forces will be used is rarely for their technical skills (except EOD for example) but because they are a disciplined and self-supporting body of bodies. There is more light and medium engineer kit available in an average town than the whole of the RE. Civil contractors will be used where possible.

    CCRF training, therefore, is either likely to be "big picture" briefings so you get an idea of what and why you will be tasked, leavened with some practical stuff, or CPX, or both.

    If I were to be brutally honest, would you want to train at filling sandbags, driving old dears around, setting up rest centres or whatever?

    The CCRF has a hugely valuable role to fill, especially after the first 12-24 hours have elapsed, but it isn't going to be charging around, blue lights flashing, adoring rescuees hanging from you arm.

    The work is likely to be strenuous or dull (or both) but we will be doing it because we are the only people who can. That will have to be the reward.

    Well, possibly the odd evacuee who feels the need for a manly shoulder to lean on :wink:
     
  13. Part of the problem is soldiers volunteering for the CCRF, partly expected it would be fun to be in the infantry for a weekend doing Internal Security etc .... but they don't as we are not allowed to take rifles, its not their role etc

    As for CCRF work do CCRF Bns really need to train for it? Yes command & control elements do but the toms on the ground? they'd be far happier putting webbing&helmet and going out on the training area doing VCP's, patrols etc. Wait a minute ... you could combine the two .. just this time remove rename the CCRF ex to a Bde Ex... Maybe add a few med, logs etc to the setup and heh presto ..... we've killed off part of the damage SDR did, plus we've made trg fun
     
  14. 49 Bde ran a CCRF Trg WE earlier this year and got the Police, Fire, Ambulance, Coast Guard, RNLI and Environment Agency out.

    It was very useful and all the instructors from the blue light services talked about how they would use the CCRF if the need ever arose. We got shown search and cordon techniques by the police (and some even got the opportunity to beat the hell out of their shields) plus very clear guidance on their CBRN approach, got put through the Fire decontamination units (be nice if they had warm water), walked through the ambulance service response systems and triage procedures and had a presentation by the Environment Agency where the girl giving it openly admitted that in time of flood they would in all liklihood turn to the CCRF as the final measure and ask them to fill sandbags - at last someone admitted to it and everyone nodded their heads and, given how it was placed in context, said 'yep I'm up for that then'.....

    It was an excellent weekend with not a single SA80 in sight, no crawling around in the mud and no infantry tactics anywhere. Instead it was directed at practical employment of the CCRF in a MACA role in sp of the emergency services. Very informative and very valuable and a gtreat insight as to how the blue light services at least in our part of the world would employ the CCRF. We even finished with a practical exercise and what we had learned!