CBD oil and CDT

#41
Seeing as almost every other cannabis based product is specifically named on WADA's banned list, you would think they wouldn't put this stuff on their approved list unless they thought that they could differentiate between them.
That's WADA not MoD. There's a subjective decision to be made in the chain of events somewhere, probably by some passed over grumpy SO2 in JFC/Centre or Andover. There is a risk associated with that. That risk should inform the OPs decision, not WADA say it's OK.
 
#42
That's WADA not MoD. There's a subjective decision to be made in the chain of events somewhere, probably by some passed over grumpy SO2 in JFC/Centre or Andover. There is a risk associated with that. That risk should inform the OPs decision, not WADA say it's OK.
Do you know what the published MoD rules are on CDT, and what substances do and do not constitute a "fail" if discovered?
 
#43
Do you know what the published MoD rules are on CDT, and what substances do and do not constitute a "fail" if discovered?
I thought that if its on the informed sports site its okay, it it isnt you are taking a risk

Plus things like Viagra wont be looked for.
 

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#44
I have not taken nor will i ever take drugs.

What is the stance on CBD oil in terms of the CDT? It contains no THC and as such it does not get you high. Will taking it make you fail the test?

CBD oil is known for its benefits and it sold widely and legally in shops across the UK. Im sure many others are wondering this. Thanks
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#46
Nope, but I have a thorough understanding of subjective decisions made by staff officers (that don't read policy).
Your thorough understanding of subjective decisions blah blah blah has failed you. As Stacker says:
I thought that if its on the informed sports site its okay, it it isnt you are taking a risk.
Go to the Informed Sports site, and you will, if you bother actually reading it, note that it specifically mentions the British Army and CDT, and that they (informed sport) test supplements to ensure WADA compliance, and that their tested and approved WADA compliant products will not cause CDT failures.
 
#47
Your thorough understanding of subjective decisions blah blah blah has failed you. As Stacker says:

Go to the Informed Sports site, and you will, if you bother actually reading it, note that it specifically mentions the British Army and CDT, and that they (informed sport) test supplements to ensure WADA compliance, and that their tested and approved WADA compliant products will not cause CDT failures.
Now you make the assumption that the 2 organisations policy’s and procedures are completely aligned at all times. I’ll go back to my first comment, has precedence been set? Has anyone on here stated yes mate it’s fine I use it all the time and I’m Scottish so get tested regularly.
 
#48
Now you make the assumption that the 2 organisations policy’s and procedures are completely aligned at all times. I’ll go back to my first comment, has precedence been set? Has anyone on here stated yes mate it’s fine I use it all the time and I’m Scottish so get tested regularly.
Jesus H Corbyn! The MoD stated policy is that whatever Informed Sports say is okay, is okay. And the Informed Sports stated policy is that whatever WADA says is okay, is okay. There's no alignments of policy needed, there is one policymaker, the others fall into step behind them.
 
#50
My understanding of this is that due to the lack of THC in the oil ( or very minimal amounts) and how the body metabolises the substance, this would not show up as canaboid useage on a standard drug test. ( certainly not those currently used in substance misuse services/custody suites for instant testing results)
However the more expensive oral swab/laboratory test may show trace results.
 
#52
...But not as good as the guarantee that we'll always get bone questions ..especially from Knobs that also state that they'll never ever ,no siree, take drugs - so their question was pointless or maybe just asking for 'A friend'

I wouldn't risk it so im completely clear for CDT. Asking theoretically if i wanted to take CBD for its benefits but not be caught out on the wrong side and risk everything. It is sold freely over the counter in big shops like Holland and Barrett but wondering if still frowned upon from CDT.
 
#53
I wouldn't risk it so im completely clear for CDT. Asking theoretically if i wanted to take CBD for its benefits but not be caught out on the wrong side and risk everything. It is sold freely over the counter in big shops like Holland and Barrett but wondering if still frowned upon from CDT.
CDT can frown all they like, it's an approved substance. What I would say though is, if you use CBD derived from actual cannabis plants, it will contain THC, which is banned. Only synthetically produced CBD is going to be guaranteed not to contain THC.
 
#54
I have not taken nor will i ever take drugs.

What is the stance on CBD oil in terms of the CDT? It contains no THC and as such it does not get you high. Will taking it make you fail the test?

CBD oil is known for its benefits and it sold widely and legally in shops across the UK. Im sure many others are wondering this. Thanks
MRHA have classified CBD Oil as a medicine, so you should declare it prior to your CDT as a non-prescription drug. Can't see there being a problem there as long as it isn't specifically banned.
 
#55
And WADA said that from January this year, CBD oil is approved for use. That means it's not banned. That means both international sportsmen/women and UK servicepersons can use CBD oil.

Sorry if I made it difficult for you to understand by putting some other words before and after that bit.
I may be missing some essential policy here but what has WADA approving or banning a substance got to do with whether or not it's consumption is permitted by the British Armed Forces? There are plenty of WADA banned or restricted substances that are absolutely fine to take as a soldier ( Salbutamol is a good example) - when prescribed by the appropriate medical professional.

The informed Sports system relates to Sports nutritional supplements and whether they contain banned substances. It does not cover other substances or medications.
 
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#56
MRHA have classified CBD Oil as a medicine, so you should declare it prior to your CDT as a non-prescription drug. Can't see there being a problem there as long as it isn't specifically banned.
Just because MHRA have classified it as a medicine does not mean it is OK to take, or that simply declaring before a CDT will get you in the clear. The purpose of the MHRA classifying substances containing CBD as a medicine is so that it can be regulated. There are plenty of OTC medications that can be taken inappropriately, and of course in one form or another many drugs classified under the misuse of drugs act are also medicines (Diamorphine for example).
 

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#59
Tested a girl yesterday in my job in substance misuse, was +ve after using the stuff from well known high street health shop. She was a Tramadol addict in the past after getting hooked through sloppy prescribing. She’s never been an illicit drug user. Thing is she works at a hospital and has got loads of friends on it, was terrified social services would be involved and she’d lose her licence.
 
#60
Just because MHRA have classified it as a medicine does not mean it is OK to take, or that simply declaring before a CDT will get you in the clear. The purpose of the MHRA classifying substances containing CBD as a medicine is so that it can be regulated. There are plenty of OTC medications that can be taken inappropriately, and of course in one form or another many drugs classified under the misuse of drugs act are also medicines (Diamorphine for example).
But diamoprhine isn't available over the counter. If you are prescribed it for pain management, you can't fail a CDT for taking it.

There was a similar situation with certain muscle gain compounds that squaddies were taking a few years ago. A load failed CDTs based on them taking these substances, but were successful on appeal as the compounds were available in shops. The MOD had to specifically ban each compound that contained certain substances which, in themselves, were not illicit, but showed a false failure.

Codeine painkillers are another example which have potential to indicate that a soldier is misusing drugs, hence the declaration prior to CDT.
 

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