Carrying Bergen with webbing- How??

#1
This is probably a pretty basic question, but how do you comfortably carry a bergen with belt webbing? The kit I have is a lowe Saracen and standard PLCE webbing belt kit with yoke, it seems the pack won't fit over the webbing, and when it's on top, all the weight comes on my shoulders and drives the webbing down over my hips? Help on this would be appreciated :)
 
#2
Use the issue bergan, it sits high specifically for sitting on top of your webbing
 
#3
Depends on your height, you can get issued either the long or short back Bergen. With the problem you're having, I'm guessing you need a short back to sit on the webbing, not over.
 
#4
I'm a bit shorter than the average, so the shorter back length on the bergen only just sits on the top of the webbing, should the webbing be higher to carry the weight of the webbing belt on the hips? or lower to carry the bergen waist strap on the hips?
 

Apod

Old-Salt
#5
Bergens like the Saracen are not designed to be worn with belt order.The Saracen is a long back Bergen with a built in hip belt that is designed to spread the weight of the load between your hips and your shoulders if worn properly.
On your Hips!
If you are wearing belt order you can't use the Saracens waist belt as intended and you will be very uncomfortable after a very short time.The Saracen works ok with Chest rigs and Battlevests alright as they ride above the waistbelt.
 
#6
You need to set the straps on the shoulders and waist to distribute evenly. Also, the contents need to be packed properly I.e. heavy weight at the top to prevent you being pulled backwards & down.
 
#9
Jesus.

Put on your PLCE. Put on your issue Bergen. Tab.

It has worked for generations of Infantry soldiers.

Are you wearing the Bergen on your back or front? Is your webbing above or below your nipples?
 
#10
Any tips for using the standard PLCE bergen though?
1. Put your arms through the big strappy things that come off the top corner of the bergan.

2. Carry it on your back in a manly, warlike manner.

3. Don't try and fill it with water as a really big camelback. It doesn't work.

4. Rocket pouches aren't really rockets. Never base your last ditch anti tank defence around them.

5. Don't soak your bergan in petrol over night then smoke while you're tabbing.
 
#11
I recommend you get a 58 pattern large pack. They were designed to fit above webbing and are both capacious and comfortable.

You must be joking, my 58 Patt large pack was neither capacious nor comfortable !
 
#13
This is probably a pretty basic question, but how do you comfortably carry a bergen with belt webbing? The kit I have is a lowe Saracen and standard PLCE webbing belt kit with yoke, it seems the pack won't fit over the webbing, and when it's on top, all the weight comes on my shoulders and drives the webbing down over my hips? Help on this would be appreciated :)
Let me guess

In true cadet style instead of wearing your belt kit as a belt you have it up round your nipples like a bra as if it's it's a set of 37 webbing?

Last time I carried a bergen all the weight was indeed meant to come down on my shoulders and drive the webbing onto my hips as thats how you need to set the webbing up, so the bergen rests atop the 3 pouches at the back - the waist belt on the bergen does **** all it's just there to stop the bergen swinging out into space if you have to climb or abseil.

Now stop being raving gayer and get used to it.
 

Schaden

LE
Book Reviewer
#16
What I used to do was have chest webbing for some bits of warry stuff - then a ginormous 110lt carry everything bergen - it was so large I could fit everything in it plus a separate day sack in the top compartment in case I had to dump the weight and leg it.
 
#17
Err, support weight of beltkit on hips by cinching it up on your hips as it should be. Put bergan on top of utility pouches. Almost no weight should be on your shoulders. Crack on.
 

Grumblegrunt

LE
Book Reviewer
#18
dont whatever you do in any way think you are going to be comfortable, you can get used to it but rarely comfy. allthough chest rig and a grab bag can make it a bit better if you dont like assault vests.

I did adapt a bergan once to take a water bottle and ammo pouch on the waist belt which worked pretty well with a chest rig in the top. also tried two bottle pouches on the belt and ammo in a mini soviet style chest rig which worked pretty well for those very loooong tabs with an OP at the end of it.

what were the two loops on the inside base of the plce bergan for? the ones in the small of your back. someone said you could thread your regular web belt through but I couldn't get it to work properly although it wasnt too bad zip tied together with a hippo pad to ease the hips.

I allways thought they could have made something more integrated so the bergan had a detachable butt pack and belt kit built in like some of the newer designs out there. the swiss do a good system I think and the south african m83 replacement kit looked doable. I did try one of those vest/pack combinations but it pulled all wrong when too heavy. I think a vest which clips into a bergan would be better than a bergen which clips onto a vest if that makes sense.
 
#19
what were the two loops on the inside base of the plce bergan for? the ones in the small of your back. someone said you could thread your regular web belt through but I couldn't get it to work properly although it wasnt too bad zip tied together with a hippo pad to ease the hips.
I've used them when abseiling, albeit a while ago now :oops:
 

Grumblegrunt

LE
Book Reviewer
#20
last time I abbed with a bergan on I wore it upside down so I didnt flip over like when I tried it from a chinook!. quite surprised the buckle didnt snap though.
 
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