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Career Decision or.......Indecision.

. . . . So, do I go for a stress free life of stagging on a gate for a modest lifestyle that is relatively recession safe or do I pull my finger out, work hard and earn the big bucks?
Until they replace MPGS with remote cameras, and electronically activated gates :( .
 
Until they replace MPGS with remote cameras, and electronically activated gates :( .
Well someone has to sit and watch the cameras. In a nice, warm office whilst watching porn on his laptop.

Will you get a Kleenex allowance?
 

lert

LE
Until they replace MPGS with remote cameras, and electronically activated gates :( .
Gosh really? All those high pitched whining noises, slow grinding movements and frequent breakages?

How have they not replaced the MPGS yet?
 

Gout Man

LE
Book Reviewer
How old are you? Mid 40’s? Take the banking job and earn as much as you can, what was the point in studying for those qualifications if you don’t benefit from it?
 

lert

LE
How old are you? Mid 40’s? Take the banking job and earn as much as you can, what was the point in studying for those qualifications if you don’t benefit from it?
This.

You'll be working outside the Army longer than you were in it. What's the upper age limit for MPGS anyway? 57, 60? Do you realistically think you'll still be on the front gate at that age? Or looking for another career again except really too old to start one.
 

Polyester

War Hero
In your circumstances I would chase happiness (Whatever job that gives you that). The money would follow eventually.

If I were to define happiness then for me that would mean an absence of debt, fear, stress, complexities and definitely my “free” time not being my own.
 

Chef

LE
The Amazon adverts seem to consist of staff saying how much fun they are to work for. The latest one has an ex RN person saying much the same. They put me in mind of Red Cross visits to POW camps, lots of smiling people.

An article about American Amazon but it's a multinational company so probably holds true for the rest of its operation:


As far as the post goes I believe they're laying off staff at the moment.
 

exspy

LE
You haven't mentioned the length and difficulty of your commute to work as being a determining factor. Where I live, commuting time is measured in hours, not parts of. After I retired, I had several great jobs, but the commutes were horrendous. Up at 5:00 am, lucky to be home before 6:00 after leaving work before 4:00. You could have a great day at work, but the commute home would make you a monster, or so the wife seemed to think.

If I can swing it, I will never work in the centre of a big city again. I work from home now, and it's great. Thank God for Covid!

Cheers,
Dan.
 

theinventor

Old-Salt
You could have a great day at work, but the commute home would make you a monster, or so the wife seemed to think.
That's what my wife thought, until I was working at home every day. Apparently, after a few hours of conference calls berating muppets for being useless, that behaviour spills over somewhat into my first interaction with her or the kids.
 

Erinon

Old-Salt
How old are you? Mid 40’s? Take the banking job and earn as much as you can, what was the point in studying for those qualifications if you don’t benefit from it?
seconded - do this - It's not a bad place and once you manage to drop the military mindset and realise civvies don't do what you tell them you'll be quids in both financially and stress wise.
 
Thanks for the input guys.......thoughtful and informative as l expected.

The military is a world l know and am comfortable in but dont want to be stood on the gate at 3am in a few years time thinking "what if". Im also old & wise enough to know that regrets will surface whatever decision l make.

If you still want to dress up and play soldiers become a STAB. That way you can keep the connection and the comfort blanket of not being totally cut adrift from what you know and have experienced for the last umpteen years. Take the banking job and get some experience to back up your qualifications. Show that you are not a one trick pony and are able to operate outside of the green machine. Make note of what you do on a day-to-day and week-to-week basis and keep your CV up to date. Be ready to jump ship at a moment's notice. There is also no loyalty in civvy strasse, it's not expected and it's not given. Money isn't everything but it helps keep the wolf from the door. There may be opportunities around the corner that you may have never previously considered but I doubt being a barrier tech would lead to anything later down the line when you are bored of getting up at shitty o'clock in the morning and stagging on.
 
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oldfecker

Clanker
Having recently left the Army after a long and glorious career I find myself at a loss of what to do (I wont be the first soldier to have felt like that on leaving I'm sure!) I'm an intelligent guy and prepared thoroughly for leaving, BA(Hons) in Business and lots of other qualifications that civilians seem to like. My diligence has paid off and I have two really good offers on the table, one from a Banking & Financial Services Institution that you would know and the other from a very, very well known...……...ah f*ck it, its Amazon. Now both these roles are middle management and pay well (between 45-49k) and include nice bonuses, perks etc.

Now, while it is great for my confidence to be offered these kind of roles, I'm just not sure if I want the hassle and responsibility in my life. I mean, civilian companies don't throw around these salaries willy-nilly and are going to want their "pound of flesh". Do I need the stress?

I've given some thought to a career that involves zero stress, wait for it...…………..MPGS!! OK, OK, stop laughing and hear me out. Yes, the starting salary is 20k but I have no debts, responsibilities and am a single guy so my SLA would probably be about £60 a month. It is 4 days on 4 days off so I can get another job if I so wish. I made a list of things I wouldn't be paying If I went this route;

  • Rent/Mortgage
  • Council Tax
  • Electric/Gas/Water etc.
  • Home/Contents Insurance
  • Gym Membership
  • Dental Insurance
Now, that little lot would be 10k a year which puts the MPGS starting salary up to 30k a year in real terms. Plus I have my lump sum (50k) and my pension (10.5k PA).

So, do I go for a stress free life of stagging on a gate for a modest lifestyle that is relatively recession safe or do I pull my finger out, work hard and earn the big bucks?

Thoughts please...….
I joined the MPGS after a full 22 year career.

Had a BSc and plenty of other qualifications, and received several well paid job offers.

I thank God I opted for the MPGS.

Now sat on 2 solid gold Military pensions. My current employment is low skill/no stress and relatively secure in the current economic circumstances, so whilst not being rich, I’m comfortable and not worrying about the future.

Want to chase the money, then accept the stress.

Also, there is a high percentage of individuals in the MPGS who are only there because they wouldn’t survive in civi street and aren’t good enough for the RLC. If you’re any good and are willing to move (as you’re single, why not) then you can rapidly rise through the ranks.

Also known a number of individuals who use the MPGS as a stable platform/source of income/cheap housing whilst they develop a more lucrative civilian employment during their 4 days off. MPGS are only committed to 1 year, so save your Annual Leave entitlement and add Terminal Leave, you can quit with little notice after 9 months if a decent job offer arises.
 
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Thanks for the input guys.......thoughtful and informative as l expected.

The military is a world l know and am comfortable in but dont want to be stood on the gate at 3am in a few years time thinking "what if". Im also old & wise enough to know that regrets will surface whatever decision l make.
You talk as if, once you take a job, you're in it for life. It's not the forces, you can leave after (usually) a months notice.
1) How much boredom can you take doing the gate job?
2) Do you like to challenge yourself? If so gate job will kill you, other jobs should present opportunities to get that brain working, see what you can do.
3) As others have said that's not a middle managers salary in a larger company, junior manager at best.
4) Do you want to be an old man thinking 'what if?' 'if only?' If the job doesn't work out just leave and apply for MPGS, if you start at the 'bottom' it'll be much harder to work your way up.
 
Having recently left the Army after a long and glorious career I find myself at a loss of what to do (I wont be the first soldier to have felt like that on leaving I'm sure!) I'm an intelligent guy and prepared thoroughly for leaving, BA(Hons) in Business and lots of other qualifications that civilians seem to like. My diligence has paid off and I have two really good offers on the table, one from a Banking & Financial Services Institution that you would know and the other from a very, very well known...……...ah f*ck it, its Amazon. Now both these roles are middle management and pay well (between 45-49k) and include nice bonuses, perks etc.

Now, while it is great for my confidence to be offered these kind of roles, I'm just not sure if I want the hassle and responsibility in my life. I mean, civilian companies don't throw around these salaries willy-nilly and are going to want their "pound of flesh". Do I need the stress?

I've given some thought to a career that involves zero stress, wait for it...…………..MPGS!! OK, OK, stop laughing and hear me out. Yes, the starting salary is 20k but I have no debts, responsibilities and am a single guy so my SLA would probably be about £60 a month. It is 4 days on 4 days off so I can get another job if I so wish. I made a list of things I wouldn't be paying If I went this route;

  • Rent/Mortgage
  • Council Tax
  • Electric/Gas/Water etc.
  • Home/Contents Insurance
  • Gym Membership
  • Dental Insurance
Now, that little lot would be 10k a year which puts the MPGS starting salary up to 30k a year in real terms. Plus I have my lump sum (50k) and my pension (10.5k PA).

So, do I go for a stress free life of stagging on a gate for a modest lifestyle that is relatively recession safe or do I pull my finger out, work hard and earn the big bucks?

Thoughts please...….
Seeing as the MPGS are currently recruiting after a fairly long freeze on applications now would be the ideal time, I'm not teaching you duck eggs just make sure you do your research, recce the sites & meet the bods at the site or sites you choose.

Since I've been in I've done the working & learning thing as the work/lifestyle change after 12 months I did need more brain stimulus so studied for my Msc distance learning, also I know a few people with second jobs which is permitted with CoC authority.

Good luck on whatever you decided there's harder ways to make a living as your post has already stated.

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Chef

LE
@Jimmy_Green 'STAB' is so last decade. It should be updated to SARS (Stupid Army Reserve Soldier)

At least when I was being abused it sounded vaguely aggressive rather than an under performing disease.

I may be doing MPGS a disservice:

 - Dilbert by Scott Adams
 
Money makes the world go round, the world go round...

Money, Money, Money, always funny in a rich mans world...

Take a gap year. You'll have £200 a week off your pension which is plenty. Rucksack or little camper van, go travelling, meet @Ciggie , and smoke dope in the sun!

The more money you get, the more you want/need. Stress is a killer.
 

dan_brown

War Hero
Have you forgotten how truly shit it is to stag on in the early hours?

Edit; Not that it's much better at any other time.

The only thing that puts me off MPGS is the night shift - stagging on at 3am? Feck that.

Now if you can get a management position ie day shift only, then why not?
 
It's something I thought long and hard about when my time was up. Aim as high as I can or grockle about pushing trolleys.

I settled/am settling for a mix. A maintenance job where my mil trade quals are being used but staying on the shop floor and spannering as a Tom. They've made it clear my managment quals and experience aren't particularly welcome or desired.

Mega bucks for limited stress. 53K including mil pension and the ability to quietly crack on and repair some heavy duty equipment leaving my young team leaders and supervisors to worry themselves into an early grave.
 

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