Cardinal George Pell

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I do believe the Catholic Church intervened as I have never seen this happen before.

So you are calling the accusers ‘scrotes’ because of what? They laid claim to being abused by Pell but they are scrotes because their evidence resulted in a squashed conviction?

Just because he has been freed does not mean he didn’t bugger kids, he might not be guilty of it right now, same as the accused are not guilty of lying (or being ‘scrotes’).
Doubtless a reasonable reply in your view. As regards your last paragraph if you have additional evidence shouldn't you forward it to the Australian judiciary?

Would you therefore be in favour of the Alison Saunders approach to some crimes?

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As for your first paragraph, it's unlikely to be the church intervening, far more likely the Illuminati and Freemasons. Have you checked whether he's one of them?
 

exsniffer

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202 posts in sixteen years?

Whose sock are you? In fact, don't answer that, I don't really care much, if at all really. Just a hint for future reference, old bean - punctuation, correct capitalization, and spelling are important, as their lack makes you look even more of a fool than you are already.
No ones. I have a life outside Arrse. I do not assume every priest is a pederast without bothering too look at then evidence.
 
Just as an aside on the State of Victoria Police Service. They are currently in the middle of an almighty s**t-storm over a decision to use a high profile barrister as an informant.

The barrister concerned is the daughter of a former Victorian Supreme Court judge and Governor of Victoria. During her youth at university she got involved in the drug scene and was arrested but unlike her friends was never prosecuted. She went on to qualify as a lawyer and entered the Victorian Bar as a barrister where she developed a very notable practice representing some of Australia's higher profile crims many of whom wound up behind bars as she informed on them.

Her name as an informant was publicly revealed and she is now in hiding in fear for her life. Several of her former clients are now seeking release on the grounds that their trials were hopelessly compromised due to the breach of lawyer-client confidentiality. There is no doubt she was pressured to become an informant and there is no doubt the Victorian Police knew that one day it would blow up in their faces but they decided at the highest level (Commissioner and Deputy Commissioners) to go ahead with it. There is an inquiry into the whole matter trying to unravel the mess.
 
Just as an aside on the State of Victoria Police Service. They are currently in the middle of an almighty s**t-storm over a decision to use a high profile barrister as an informant.

The barrister concerned is the daughter of a former Victorian Supreme Court judge and Governor of Victoria. During her youth at university she got involved in the drug scene and was arrested but unlike her friends was never prosecuted. She went on to qualify as a lawyer and entered the Victorian Bar as a barrister where she developed a very notable practice representing some of Australia's higher profile crims many of whom wound up behind bars as she informed on them.

Her name as an informant was publicly revealed and she is now in hiding in fear for her life. Several of her former clients are now seeking release on the grounds that their trials were hopelessly compromised due to the breach of lawyer-client confidentiality. There is no doubt she was pressured to become an informant and there is no doubt the Victorian Police knew that one day it would blow up in their faces but they decided at the highest level (Commissioner and Deputy Commissioners) to go ahead with it. There is an inquiry into the whole matter trying to unravel the mess.
Seriously? They used a defence barrister as a grass? I was so flabbergasted by your allegation that I initially thought you must be as barking mad as the guy above who is convinced the Vatican controls the Australian judicial system but one minute's googling proved that you are entirely correct.

How in the name of fukk could this possibly have been allowed? What lunatic in the police thought that this could be even remotely acceptable? Where did they think they were operating, Russia? Have the convictions been allowed to stand? Have there been mass resignations of senior policemen and members of the judiciary? Are any cops going to jail over this?

I am quite literally staggered at such a horrendous abuse of the judicial process in a supposedly advanced society but probably most shocked that I had never heard about it. Is this not the biggest scandal to hit Australian government and law enforcement ever or is this sort of thing considered normal down there?

Jesus, that is so appalling it is breathtaking.
 
What lunatic in the police thought that this could be even remotely acceptable?
Those trying to stem the 36 gangland murders in Melbourne. Still, it was a ridiculous decision, and there's a Royal Commission ongoing into the whole imbroglio.

The Vic police are almost unbelieveably corrupt, from local divisions through to vice and drugs, from bottom to top.

My former local police station as an example...........


I called the cops from St. Kilda once, when I'd seen off a burgler at the front door. They came in and, I shit you not, tried to sell me drugs. You really couldn't make it up.
 
Those trying to stem the 36 gangland murders in Melbourne. Still, it was a ridiculous decision, and there's a Royal Commission ongoing into the whole imbroglio.

The Vic police are almost unbelieveably corrupt, from local divisions through to vice and drugs, from bottom to top.

My former local police station as an example...........


I called the cops from St. Kilda once, when I'd seen off a burgler at the front door. They came in and, I shit you not, tried to sell me drugs. You really couldn't make it up.
Really? Are they that corrupt?

I kinda assumed Australian cops were the same as British cops, a few on the take, others bone idle and a couple of downright thugs, but on the whole pretty much as good as you could hope for when it comes to policing in the world. But what you describe sounds downright Mexican by comparison. Surely they can't really be that bad?
 
Really? Are they that corrupt?

I kinda assumed Australian cops were the same as British cops, a few on the take, others bone idle and a couple of downright thugs, but on the whole pretty much as good as you could hope for when it comes to policing in the world. But what you describe sounds downright Mexican by comparison. Surely they can't really be that bad?
Australia is a Commonwealth of states and territories, a Federation. There are significant differences between the police forces services of those states/territories as well as between parts of the legal systems. For example, if Cardinal Pell had been tried in NSW he could have opted for a judge-only trial. He had no such choice in (the People's Socialist Republic of) Victoria.

In addition to the different police mobs there are the Australian Federal Police.

I have had both good and bad experiences with state police, the bad being incompetence rather than corruption, but I try to attribute it to their leadership/management.
 

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There's others...
Aside from the already mentioned lunacy of shattering client confidentiality to get a result. Surely anybody who is actually called 'Gobbo'* is going to attract attention and mirth;

'May it please your honour our informant Gobbo...'

Collapse of stout party much hilarity ensues.

*I did think Gobbo was on a par with other Aussie shortenings, Jonno, arvo and the like. I was wrong.
 
Doubtless a reasonable reply in your view. As regards your last paragraph if you have additional evidence shouldn't you forward it to the Australian judiciary?

Would you therefore be in favour of the Alison Saunders approach to some crimes?

.

As for your first paragraph, it's unlikely to be the church intervening, far more likely the Illuminati and Freemasons. Have you checked whether he's one of them?

What if the Pope is a space lizard who is a member of the Illuminati, Freemasons and the New World Order?
 
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Just as an aside on the State of Victoria Police Service. They are currently in the middle of an almighty s**t-storm over a decision to use a high profile barrister as an informant.

The barrister concerned is the daughter of a former Victorian Supreme Court judge and Governor of Victoria. During her youth at university she got involved in the drug scene and was arrested but unlike her friends was never prosecuted. She went on to qualify as a lawyer and entered the Victorian Bar as a barrister where she developed a very notable practice representing some of Australia's higher profile crims many of whom wound up behind bars as she informed on them.

Her name as an informant was publicly revealed and she is now in hiding in fear for her life. Several of her former clients are now seeking release on the grounds that their trials were hopelessly compromised due to the breach of lawyer-client confidentiality. There is no doubt she was pressured to become an informant and there is no doubt the Victorian Police knew that one day it would blow up in their faces but they decided at the highest level (Commissioner and Deputy Commissioners) to go ahead with it. There is an inquiry into the whole matter trying to unravel the mess.
Underbelly?
 
Aside from the already mentioned lunacy of shattering client confidentiality to get a result. Surely anybody who is actually called 'Gobbo'* is going to attract attention and mirth;

'May it please your honour our informant Gobbo...'

Collapse of stout party much hilarity ensues.

*I did think Gobbo was on a par with other Aussie shortenings, Jonno, arvo and the like. I was wrong.
It does sound like an MI6 Agent handling cover name. 'Agent GOBBO'. Hopefully she's in iso' to avoid getting crook with 'rona. No Barbies for this sheila this arvo.
 
Aside from the already mentioned lunacy of shattering client confidentiality to get a result. Surely anybody who is actually called 'Gobbo'* is going to attract attention and mirth;

'May it please your honour our informant Gobbo...'

Collapse of stout party much hilarity ensues.

*I did think Gobbo was on a par with other Aussie shortenings, Jonno, arvo and the like. I was wrong.
You can even get a knighthood with a name like that. More to your point, there was an Italian kid at my school who's surname was Grasso.

'Sir James Augustine Gobbo, AC, CVO, QC (born 22 March 1931) is an Australian retired jurist who served as the 25th Governor of Victoria, from 1997 to 2000.'


'Antonio 'Toni' Gobbo migrated to Australia from Cittadella, Padova (Veneto) in Italy in 1927, arriving in Melbourne on board the ship Orsova. His wife Regina (nee Tosetto) followed soon after with their young son Flavio, travelling on board the ship Regina d'Italia. The couple always lived in the Carlton district, first in Newry Street and later moving to Drummond Street.'

https://collections.museumvictoria.com.au/articles/3000

E2A: now there's a coincidence - looks like he might have moved to Victoria.

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Seriously? They used a defence barrister as a grass? I was so flabbergasted by your allegation that I initially thought you must be as barking mad as the guy above who is convinced the Vatican controls the Australian judicial system but one minute's googling proved that you are entirely correct.

How in the name of fukk could this possibly have been allowed? What lunatic in the police thought that this could be even remotely acceptable? Where did they think they were operating, Russia? Have the convictions been allowed to stand? Have there been mass resignations of senior policemen and members of the judiciary? Are any cops going to jail over this?

I am quite literally staggered at such a horrendous abuse of the judicial process in a supposedly advanced society but probably most shocked that I had never heard about it. Is this not the biggest scandal to hit Australian government and law enforcement ever or is this sort of thing considered normal down there?

Jesus, that is so appalling it is breathtaking.
Yes so far there have been amazing admissions by former senior officers ,Chief Commissioner Christine Nixon (the one that had her hair done, wrote her memoirs and went out for dinner when she was in operational command during bushfires) didn't keep a diary, neither apparently did her successor Simon Overland in the evidence he gave to the Royal Commission until they were mysteriously found by Royal Commission investigators. can't wait for the current Chief Commissioner, Chief Wigum to start to give "evidence"
 
Sorry forgot these little gems 258,000 false breath tests and failing to breathtest the premiers wife after an accident
But hey it's not corruption according to the polies;

 
Really? Are they that corrupt?

I kinda assumed Australian cops were the same as British cops, a few on the take, others bone idle and a couple of downright thugs, but on the whole pretty much as good as you could hope for when it comes to policing in the world. But what you describe sounds downright Mexican by comparison. Surely they can't really be that bad?
Yes, it's that bad.

Research the Hodson case.........husband was a drug dealer informer, very likely killed by a Det. Sgt. from drug squad, allegedly working with cartel to supply. Information on Hodson's activities leaked by police, and the corrupt barrister was involved too. End position is that none can be charged due to police action in recruiting said barrister.

If it was written as fiction, nobody would believe it.

Police in NSW, Vic and Qld are corrupt, but Vic and NSW are particularly bad. Very little in relation to the general public, but their deep associations with "known criminals" across the spectrum is astounding.

It's worth a few hours research on a rainy day of quarantine if you're so minded.
 
'Sir James Augustine Gobbo, AC, CVO, QC (born 22 March 1931) is an Australian retired jurist who served as the 25th Governor of Victoria, from 1997 to 2000.'
Father of the said super-grass. Now you have some idea of the s**t-storm this has kicked up. The decision to put the heat on the barrister to inform arose during what was known as the Melbourne gangland wars - a turf war for control of the drug trafficking industry in Melbourne during the 90s' and early naughties, as she was representing some of those involved. See Melbourne Gangland Killings for a more detailed list of those involved. There was also a very good TV series based on it called "Underbelly" and I recommend a watch of the DVD of the series - it includes a lot more arousing material than the original broadcast.
 
There was also a very good TV series based on it called "Underbelly" and I recommend a watch of the DVD of the series - it includes a lot more arousing material than the original broadcast.
Unless things have since been redacted or released, you need to check which version of a particular 'Underbelly' series you've got, as apparently they were different depending on which state the episodes were broadcast. I haven't seen any of the pre-WWII series ('Razor', 'Squizzy'), but the contemporary ones are excellent, including the one of uNZud.

 
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I called the cops from St. Kilda once, when I'd seen off a burgler at the front door. They came in and, I shit you not, tried to sell me drugs. You really couldn't make it up.

What did you buy?
 
The only thing dumber than trusting lawyers and judges is trusting Catholic priests. Both peddle fantasies, be it equality and justice under the rule of law, or the existence of a just and loving God who will reward you with an eternity in Heaven if you have faith in Him.

Believing in either fairy tale means you clearly haven't being paying attention to how the world actually works. ;)
 

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