Captured marines were gathering intelligence on Iran

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http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-1259413,00.html

We Gathered Intelligence'
Updated: 17:48, Thursday April 05, 2007

The captain in charge of the 15 marines detained in Iran has said they were gathering intelligence on the Iranians.

Sky News went on patrol with Captain Chris Air and his team in Iraqi waters close to the area where they were arrested - just five days before the crisis began.

We withheld the interview until now so it would not jeopardise their safety.

And today, former Iranian diplomat Dr Mehrdad Khonsari said if the Iranians had known about it, they would have used it to "justify taking the marines captive and put them on trial".

Captain Air and his team were on an 'Interaction Patrol' where their patrol boats came alongside fishing dhows.

The operation was mainly to investigate arms smuggling and terrorism but Captain Air said it was also to gain intelligence on Iranian activity.

He told Sky Correspondent Jonathan Samuels: "Basically we speak to the crew, find out if they have any problems, let them know we're here to protect them, protect their fishing and stop any terrorism and piracy in the area," he said.

"Secondly, it's to gather int (intelligence). If they do have any information, because they're here for days at a time, they can share it with us.

"Whether it's about piracy or any sort of Iranian activity in the area. Obviously we're right by the buffer zone with Iran."

The UK Defence Secretary Des Browne told Sky News it was important to gather intelligence to "keep our people safe".

He said: "Modern military operations all have an element of gathering intelligence.

"We need to understand as much as we can about the environment we operate in and intelligence gathering is an every day part of that."

He added: "The UN mandate would clearly empower the military taskforce to gather information about the environment in which they were working."

Captain Air said that fishing dhows had been robbed by Iranian soldiers on a number of occasions.

"It's good to gather int on the Iranians," he said.

Fifteen sailors and marines were taken captive nearly two weeks ago after the Iranian government claimed they had strayed into their waters
 
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Naive for anyone to imagine there wasn't an Int. element in their work. Everyone observes and reports, at the very least. And that constitutes Int.-gathering.

It is faintly absurd of Five TV et al. to claim they were doing anyone a favour by "suppressing" any mention of intelligence for the past fortnight. If that's the biggest favour they can do servicemen in danger, they should be rather ashamed.

There was a time when no UK news outlet would have made such a daft claim - but nowadays there are virtually no ex-service people working in the policy-making levels of the meeja.
 
#5
WTF is the problem. Of course information collection is a normal function of patrolling by land or sea. Hardly 'spying'. Get a grip.
 
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I just heard a news report in which his magnificence the Rt Hon TB Liar is interviewed and attributes the release of the captives to "bilateral dialogue".

Errr ... I thought that dialogue was, by its very nature, bilateral. Who writes all this drivel the Messiah spouts?
 
#8
The sad fact is that today's service personell are sent to "war's" that the people of this country do not support and into countries where there is significant opposition to their presense. They are sent by a government that underfunds them and does not respect them or their families unless they are captured, injured or god forbid killed and then there is a public show by the politicians which is nothing more than a parroted version of "what to say if....happens".
They are also villified in the media if anything that can be construed as negative comes to light with facts often mis-reported. Whilst anything heroic they do or tragic that befalls them is nothing but a 5 minute soundbite. This in turn leads some of the public to think that service personell are either toffs or yobs.

Misunderstood by the public at large
Misrepresented by the media
Mistreated by the government
So basically fu**ed from all sides.
 
#10
hackle said:
blue_sophist said:
Borrocks.
Out.
No, go on, explain yourself.
OK. Sky News [the definitive article] quotes our men as [paraphrase] "out there spying". Any operation, as a collateral input, "gathers information". I walk past Badger Barracks, note that there's only one MoD Plod on the gate ... that's information, but not spying - unless I went with that intention.

If you think that's spying, take another pill. Our people's task was NOT spying, or gathering Int ... it was a convenient collateral input.

OVER.
 
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blue_sophist said:
hackle said:
blue_sophist said:
Borrocks.
Out.
No, go on, explain yourself.
OK. Sky News [the definitive article] quotes our men as [paraphrase] "out there spying". Any operation, as a collateral input, "gathers information". I walk past Badger Barracks, note that there's only one MoD Plod on the gate ... that's information, but not spying - unless I went with that intention.

If you think that's spying, take another pill. Our people's task was NOT spying, or gathering Int ... it was a convenient collateral input.

OVER.
It seems we are making exactly the same point. I'm glad I asked you to clarify. Your comment "borrocks" followed my own post. Cheers.
 
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blue_sophist said:
hackle said:
blue_sophist said:
Borrocks.
Out.
No, go on, explain yourself.
OK. Sky News [the definitive article] quotes our men as [paraphrase] "out there spying". Any operation, as a collateral input, "gathers information". I walk past Badger Barracks, note that there's only one MoD Plod on the gate ... that's information, but not spying - unless I went with that intention.

If you think that's spying, take another pill. Our people's task was NOT spying, or gathering Int ... it was a convenient collateral input.

OVER.
OK, it's a long, long time ago in a galaxy far, far away, but I seem to remember that the whole point of patrolling was was to dominate ground and gather intelligence about strengths & dispositions.

It's certainly not spying - that's just typical emotive journalese. Those boys and gals were just there doing the job they draw their pay for & playing by the rules. Without a ref & linesmen it's going to be impossible to stop the Iranians from cheating. They did it before, they'll do it again.
 
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Reversionary_Modes said:
blue_sophist said:
hackle said:
blue_sophist said:
Borrocks.
Out.
No, go on, explain yourself.
OK. Sky News [the definitive article] quotes our men as [paraphrase] "out there spying". Any operation, as a collateral input, "gathers information". I walk past Badger Barracks, note that there's only one MoD Plod on the gate ... that's information, but not spying - unless I went with that intention.

If you think that's spying, take another pill. Our people's task was NOT spying, or gathering Int ... it was a convenient collateral input.

OVER.
OK, it's a long, long tim ag in a galaxy far, far away, but I seem to remember that the whole point of patrolling was was to dominate ground and gather intelligence about strengths & dispositions.

It's certainly not spying - that's just typical emotive journalese....
zactly. We all agree... eventually... I hope.
 
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hackle said:
blue_sophist said:
We're cool! ;-)
;)

There must be someone to argue with!
Give the Arm chair warriors and 49 para enough time to make there tinfoil hats and find there cammo jim jams then im sure this thread amougnst others will register 9.8 on the FU scale ..... and dont even start me with the like of that chod Lipo he is bound too tell us how because we hate the yanks its our own stupid fault. :tp:

mnean while did i mention SkyNews audio visual toilet paper. :p

edit cos i have the spelling bee switch to borrucks it seems
 
#19
Here's a scoop for you Murdoch:


SKY NEWS GATHERS INTELLIGENCE ON IRAN FOR UK.


When his reporters report from the streets of Iran, do people not think that someone might watch and find out what's being said?

It's called "open-source intelligence" and it is not rocket-science. If you want to know something quickly about Iran, do you a) Ring some Iran expert and ask for help or b) first find out what GOOGLE says? D'uh..........

Secondly, if a Marine out on patrol sees some activity on the border, is he supposed to keep his mouth shut and not tell anyone?

Picture the scene, April 1940 and a French officer on Border patrol sees German Armour amassing on the Border. His first reaction is to think - "better not tell the boss he'll be frightfully cross". Look what happened there................................

:shakefist: This is not news.
 
#20
Why come out with this info now.We don't need to know what their objective was or what they were doing.Intelligent thinking required here folks.
 

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