Canadian soldier killed, by friendly fire".

#2
where have we seen a-10 attacking blues on blue before? hmmm 26 feb 91 perhaps!
 
#6
Bad news all round...

Rest In Peace fella.

My sincere condolences to those who grieve and my best wishes for full and speedy recoveries to the wounded.
 
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Trenchcoat_Warrior said:
Mistakes happen, right? It could happen to anybody so let's not jump on the anti-US bandwagon, eh?
Absolutely right. USAF regularly deliver tons of ordnance where required without harm to our side.

Well, maybe I should say that part of USAF that doesn't fly A-10s.

RIP.
 
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daleRoch said:
http://archives.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/asiapcf/central/04/18/afghanistan.canada/

it is not the first
And in all probability it won't be the last, but mistakes do happen and I doubt the pilot(s) will be feeling too good about it.
 
#10
FTR I was not inciting Septics bashing just remarking on the fact of it being a hog involved, again!
 
#11
RIP to the fallen.

Does anyone know why it seems to be A-10s more than other aircraft that seem to be involved in these friendly fire incidents?

To my knowledge it was a A-10 that resulted in the death of a Warrior crew during GW1 and an A-10 that attacked the HCR Scimitars during the Iraq invasion.
 
#12
cohnee said:
RIP to the fallen.

Does anyone know why it seems to be A-10s more than other aircraft that seem to be involved in these friendly fire incidents?

To my knowledge it was a A-10 that resulted in the death of a Warrior crew during GW1 and an A-10 that attacked the HCR Scimitars during the Iraq invasion.
Because A10s are specialised close air support aircraft which are most likely to be expending their munitions near friendly troops.
 
#14
RIP
 
#15
cohnee said:
RIP to the fallen.

Does anyone know why it seems to be A-10s more than other aircraft that seem to be involved in these friendly fire incidents?

To my knowledge it was a A-10 that resulted in the death of a Warrior crew during GW1 and an A-10 that attacked the HCR Scimitars during the Iraq invasion.
I think that there are two types of blue on blue.

1. Those like the one referred to in this thread which involves ac providing CAS Ops. Which have been pointed out are dreadful accidents.

2. More worrying are the others where US pilots have engaged marked coalition vehicles in free-fire zones. These more often that not, are when they (the ac) are not receiving fire and thus should have time to verify the target before offloading munitions.

That said my Canadian co-worker and I are extremely pissed today. Especially since our US boss strolled down and offered his condolences to the Canadians for the loss of 15 of their troops this weekend. If it were not such an piss poor subject to use it would worthy of some spam bashing. Not today or ever....

RIP all those who died over the weekend.
 
#16
I watched the "Ramp" ceremony on CBC tonight. To see those guys holding back the tears was heart rending.

RIP and coldolences to family of the soldier killed. Speedy recovery to the wounded.
 
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Trenchcoat_Warrior said:
Mistakes happen, right? It could happen to anybody so let's not jump on the anti-US bandwagon, eh?
With respect it isn't jumping on the anti-US bandwagon. It's simple fact that support fires from US sources can be less discriminating than they ought to be. Am I incorrect in saying that in the F-16 incident the pilot is recorded as saying something along the lines of "...let's do it anyway..."? Having experienced distinctly unfriendly friendly arty, it serves no one to dismiss unprofessionalism or ineffectivenes (if that's what the investigation shows this to be) as a mere mistake. On a tangent, is part of the problem that many of the A-10 Sqns are ANG? RIP and best wishes to the injured.

DBM
 
#18
In_my_day said:
Trenchcoat_Warrior said:
Mistakes happen, right? It could happen to anybody so let's not jump on the anti-US bandwagon, eh?
With respect it isn't jumping on the anti-US bandwagon. It's simple fact that support fires from US sources can be less discriminating than they ought to be. Am I incorrect in saying that in the F-16 incident the pilot is recorded as saying something along the lines of "...let's do it anyway..."? Having experienced distinctly unfriendly friendly arty, it serves no one to dismiss unprofessionalism or ineffectivenes (if that's what the investigation shows this to be) as a mere mistake. On a tangent, is part of the problem that many of the A-10 Sqns are ANG? RIP and best wishes to the injured.

DBM
I don't know. American troops have also been victims of such incidents. It was well recorded that back in WWII, Patton threatened to send his troops back to attack the Air force if the blue-on-blue didn't stop.

I don't want to be too hard on the USAF (particularly because I know a few members, though none are pilots), but there really seems to be an issue there.

It seems there is a problem with jet pilots. Helicopter guys don't seem to make the same mistakes as much.
 
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Chief_Joseph said:
It seems there is a problem with jet pilots. Helicopter guys don't seem to make the same mistakes as much.
Maybe because Apaches don't have to acquire targets while travelling at 400+ knots like an A-10? Without US CAS over the last few months our casualties would've been much worse and sadly accidents happen.
 
#20
Strait_Jacket said:
Maybe because Apaches don't have to acquire targets while travelling at 400+ knots like an A-10?
The thought had crossed my mind.

Anyway, what's more important in this case is the ones who got hit. RIP and best wishes to the wounded.
 

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