Canadian Reserves get pensions!

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Defence Minister Gordon O'Connor announced today that Canada's reservists will be able to contribute to and receive pension plan benefits starting in the new year.

As many as 8,500 reservists may now qualify to be included in the Canada Pension Plan and establishing reservist pensions has been an issue many of them have been fighting for.

"This is the CPP (Canada Pension Plan) that every worker in Canada pays into and, as a result, is able to collect upon retirement," CTV's David Akin, who was first to report the news, told Newsnet from Ottawa.

In a news release, O'Connor is quoted as saying that the government made this change "because we believe that all Reservists should be able to collect a pension that will allow them to build for retirement and provide their families with basic financial protection."

"Canada's New Government is proud of the brave men and women who serve our country daily and this amendment is another example of our commitment to support them."

Gen. Rick Hillier, the Chief of Defence Staff, called the announcement "excellent news" for reservists. "Whether Canadians choose to serve full-time or part-time in the CF, they will be able to start building upon their CPP pension and create a more secure future," he added.

McCallum reaction

There had been a regulation in place preventing reserve soldiers from contributing to or receiving CPP. But the federal government, three years ago under then-defence minister John McCallum, approved pensions for these reservists.

"This is really quite ridiculous. I announced this change way back," McCallum told Akin on Thursday in response to O'Connor's announcement.

"What that shows is that military are super slow in implementing things, not that they responded super fast to an idea from O'Connor."

McCallum, now a Liberal MP and finance critic, amended the Canadian Forces Superannuation Act to include pension plans for full- and part-time reservists.

While O'Connor's office did not dispute that the changes were initially announced by McCallum in 2003, it said these changes were never officially approved by the previous Liberal government.

"Last week, changes were officially approved by the Government. The Liberals were not (able) to get approval from Treasury Board," Etienne Allard, O'Connor's director of communications, told Akin.

The new CPP rules for reservists will come into effect on Jan. 1, 2007.

They were meant as a way to make the reserves attractive to job seekers, and will make it easier for reservists to justify taking time away from their regular jobs to serve in the military.

"A lot of reservists in Afghanistan are serving in a combat role," said Akin.

"Some at CFB Gagetown in New Brunswick are training to go over to Afghanistan in the new year. They are a very important part of Canada's all-volunteer army -- remember we don't have a draft, so we rely on volunteers. So now, reservists may take time away from school, time away from a full-time job in order to go to Afghanistan."

Thirteen per cent of Canada's 2,300-member Afghanistan contingent are reservists who volunteered their services, leaving their civilian jobs.





http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNe...1/reserves_pension_061221/20061221?hub=Canada
 

OldSnowy

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Errr, so what? What has that to do with the TA?

The Army/TA position on Pensions is pretty plain (and has been for many years) - either Pension or Bounty. Both is not possible - there just isn't the money, never has been (under ANY Government) and never ever will be.

Incidentally, you will find that almost all those shouting loudest for pensions for the TA are those who have 'done their time', probably never been Mobilised, and knew what the rules were when they joined. They are just after something for nothing, and reflect more on the 'compensation culture' than they do on the TA today. They of course don't care a toss that the loss of Bounty will affect Recruitment and Retention in the TA today, as they are out now. Selfish Tw@ts.

If they didn't like it at the time, they could have taken out a tax-deductible Private Pension, like many people did (including me). If they didn't do that, it's their tough luck - why should I as a taxpayer cough up for their ignorance and lack of foresight?

Oh, and the Australian version of the TA get Tax-Free pay for all training, even Drill Nights and Weekends. But again, that is the Australian Army, not the British Army. I'm sure that other Armies around the world get various good things as perks, but none of this is really the point. TA Service is non-pensionable, and always has been. If you don't like it, you don't have to join....

/Rant mode Off. But, as you can see, this really, really grips my shite.
 
#3
Old Snowy - its a news story

but if they can get a pension then why not us (by the way - I am out now and it dosen't really concern me as they would never backdate it). The Bounty argument is bollox - we were always told it was to make up for the X factor but we all know its a cash cow to keep reserves turning up on drill nights and weekends - a bit like a Christmas bonus in civvy street so companies don't lose their skills base.

The UK Gov could pay both bounty and pensions - don't believe all what Swiss Tony's civil servants at the MoD tell you!
 
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The-daddy has a point. In this new age of greater mobilisation, increased training standards and ongoing support to the Regular Army (IRs, FTRS etc), the Army should expect tp pay more. Bounty is from a past era and has no place as a replacement for a legitimate pension earning position given the parlous state of our pension futures these days.

Bring it on I say...
 
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OldSnowy said:
Errr, so what? What has that to do with the TA?

The Army/TA position on Pensions is pretty plain (and has been for many years) - either Pension or Bounty. Both is not possible - there just isn't the money, never has been (under ANY Government) and never ever will be.

Incidentally, you will find that almost all those shouting loudest for pensions for the TA are those who have 'done their time', probably never been Mobilised, and knew what the rules were when they joined. They are just after something for nothing, and reflect more on the 'compensation culture' than they do on the TA today. They of course don't care a toss that the loss of Bounty will affect Recruitment and Retention in the TA today, as they are out now. Selfish Tw@ts.

If they didn't like it at the time, they could have taken out a tax-deductible Private Pension, like many people did (including me). If they didn't do that, it's their tough luck - why should I as a taxpayer cough up for their ignorance and lack of foresight?

Oh, and the Australian version of the TA get Tax-Free pay for all training, even Drill Nights and Weekends. But again, that is the Australian Army, not the British Army. I'm sure that other Armies around the world get various good things as perks, but none of this is really the point. TA Service is non-pensionable, and always has been. If you don't like it, you don't have to join....

/Rant mode Off. But, as you can see, this really, really grips my shite.


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Obviously, you really should go because constipation is getting to you. Well F**ing well done for you and your little personal pension plan, hope the pair of you are very happy together.

Needless to say i believe we should get one, present policy goes against the spirit of the law if not being illegal itself. HMG would not allow any other company or large organisation to treat its part time workers this way.

TA pay just about covers the cost of being in the TA, buys a bit of extra kit and a small payment into the household. The bounty is something to be spent on family because without their support we probably would not be able to stay in.

Just because things are a certain way when we join does not mean they should not change, or else we would still have flogging. Things change and there is no reason why it always has to be for the worse, changes can also be good.

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I would just like to point out the following from the article

Defence Minister Gordon O'Connor announced today that Canada's reservists will be able to contribute to and receive pension plan benefits starting in the new year.
If the TA were to get a pension similar to the Canadian model would it be a case of them PAYING in to it, rather than the Regs version?

Before thinking that Canada is a bed of roses (and it is depending on your view) remember that they also require women and men on maternity/paternity leave to be paid a certain amount of their pay. I believe the public sector workers (females at least) are on about 80%+ of their wage, tax free so they are on more than when they are actually working.

This all has to be funded by someone.
 
#8
I'm really surprised that your TA doesn't get a pension for serving 20 or 30 years. I was unaware that this was so.

The USA's Reserve and National Guard grants a pension for service, although it is somewhat reduced form a full time member's retirement pay and only starts when you reach the age 60.

The Reserve/Guard retiree also, recieves full bennies just like the full time retiree. To include PX, Commisary, Travel and more importantly medical coverage.

http://usmilitary.about.com/od/reserveretirmentpay/a/reserveretire.htm

http://arpc.afrc.af.mil/retirements/ResRetGenInfo.asp
 
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Trip_Wire said:
I'm really surprised that your TA doesn't get a pension for serving 20 or 30 years. I was unaware that this was so.

The USA's Reserve and National Guard grants a pension for service, although it is somewhat reduced form a full time member's retirement pay and only starts when you reach the age 60.

The Reserve/Guard retiree also, recieves full bennies just like the full time retiree. To include PX, Commisary, Travel and more importantly medical coverage.

http://usmilitary.about.com/od/reserveretirmentpay/a/reserveretire.htm

http://arpc.afrc.af.mil/retirements/ResRetGenInfo.asp
Why not? That equates to 2 or 3 years in the regs and we dont get a pension. Why should they get a pension for a hobby and part time job?
 
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threaders_vm said:
Trip_Wire said:
I'm really surprised that your TA doesn't get a pension for serving 20 or 30 years. I was unaware that this was so.

The USA's Reserve and National Guard grants a pension for service, although it is somewhat reduced form a full time member's retirement pay and only starts when you reach the age 60.

The Reserve/Guard retiree also, recieves full bennies just like the full time retiree. To include PX, Commisary, Travel and more importantly medical coverage.

http://usmilitary.about.com/od/reserveretirmentpay/a/reserveretire.htm

http://arpc.afrc.af.mil/retirements/ResRetGenInfo.asp
Why not? That equates to 2 or 3 years in the regs and we dont get a pension. Why should they get a pension for a hobby and part time job?
As that Japenese fellow once said: "So sorry, please!"

As per my message we do and I 'm enjoying it! To bad you're Lads can't! :roll: :wink:
 
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Trip_Wire said:
threaders_vm said:
Trip_Wire said:
I'm really surprised that your TA doesn't get a pension for serving 20 or 30 years. I was unaware that this was so.

The USA's Reserve and National Guard grants a pension for service, although it is somewhat reduced form a full time member's retirement pay and only starts when you reach the age 60.

The Reserve/Guard retiree also, recieves full bennies just like the full time retiree. To include PX, Commisary, Travel and more importantly medical coverage.

http://usmilitary.about.com/od/reserveretirmentpay/a/reserveretire.htm

http://arpc.afrc.af.mil/retirements/ResRetGenInfo.asp
Why not? That equates to 2 or 3 years in the regs and we dont get a pension. Why should they get a pension for a hobby and part time job?
As that Japenese fellow once said: "So sorry, please!"

As per my message we do and I 'm enjoying it! To bad you're Lads can't! :roll: :wink:
Don't be sorry - I'm not. I'll be getting a full pension because I've done a full career of 22 yrs (24 in total). They chose to be in green kit as a hobby and part time. Should they get a pension? No fcuking way.
 
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threaders_vm said:
They chose to be in green kit as a hobby and part time. Should they get a pension? No fcuking way.
So we work 9-5 Mon -> Fri and then put in overtime as TA at weekends at cheap rates. Yes we are that stupid.

or do we deserve a pension more
 
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polar said:
threaders_vm said:
They chose to be in green kit as a hobby and part time. Should they get a pension? No fcuking way.
So we work 9-5 Mon -> Fri and then put in overtime as TA at weekends at cheap rates. Yes we are that stupid.

or do we deserve a pension more
Your choice. Like it or lump it. If I worked a couple of weekends a year stacking shelves at Tesco's (as a hobby because tins in straight lines give me wood) would I be eligible for a pension? No.

At the end of the day you're civilians who wear green kit as a hobby, it's not a way of life for 22+ years. Thats complete years, 365 days a years not selected weekends and a fortnight away on the pish.
 

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threaders_vm said:
Don't be sorry - I'm not. I'll be getting a full pension because I've done a full career of 22 yrs (24 in total). They chose to be in green kit as a hobby and part time. Should they get a pension? No fcuking way.

Well why post in the Just TA forum, tool? Are you stupid? Hard of thinking? Just a cock?


Gents, given that it it's fcuk all concern of yours may I ask why you feel the need to mouth in here?
 
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Threaders - if you worked part time in Tescos you would be entitled to a pension provided you followed the Tesco rules for pensions.

This sad excuse of a Government brought in a set of laws which said that part time workers must be treat the same as full time ones, for pay pensions and holiday entitlement. They also got rid of Crown immunity. If they had worked through the ramifications first they might have realised what they were doing. They didn't and they now have the uncomfortable fact to face that their law - Law mark you - might cost them an awful lot of dosh. It cost my business an awful lot, and I couldn't say I'm not paying 'cos my staff are only doing it for pin money.
 
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Can we not get into the sort of slagging that the previous three post have exhibited. This is a serious subject which deserves serious debate, not Naafi bar squabbling.
 

Sixty

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threaders_vm said:
We probably feel the need as we do a full (time) career in order to gain our pension. Why should the TA receive a pension for a fraction of the time served minus the embuggerance that a full army career entails?

I think you need to chill a bit you loggie fool before your civilian heart explodes. By the way, have you took Soroban in your mouth lately?


I'm an actuary in my civilian life, I won't do the earning comparison as it's embarrassing. I have no need to worry about pensions, I'm more concerned about my comrades (soldiers, you remember them?) and their future provision. And yes. I'm a Loggie (nice new ID G-B)

By the way it's 'taken' not 'took' and the answer's no.



FMJ. I respect you and comment previously was not a pop at. However if you click on 'profile' below and 'find all posts by' I think it's closer to 500, mostly in here.
 

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