Canada Surrenders to Taliban

#1
Things are not going as well as expectedin Afghanistan..even the US Big Boys are reluctantly admitting this, though with qualifiers..

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/LAC.20080911.PAKISTANSIDE11/TPStory/International

So, in light of this analysis and intel which, surely, was reported up the chain and discussed at the' highest levels'.. Canada's illustrious leader, in the throes of a Federal election [ yeah, we're having one, too, though its 4 middle-aged white guys and one middle aged white woman who just wants to make the world pretty ] decides the time is ripe for a portentious announcement that will garner him the softylefty vote and placate the always rebellious poutine eaters of Quebec.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/LAC.20080911.ELECTION11/TPStory/Front

Thankfully, one father of a KIA soldier has lambasted him for selling out Canada and failing the Afghan people..

I'm hoping this is just a 'ploy' to make the other NATO allies feel small and they'll pull the restricted ROE from their troops so they can go and kick Taliban butt instead of standing around handing out choco biscuits and directing traffic...but, somehow, I don't think that was the PM's intent.

gonna go and cry in a beer and then campaign against the nutjob..
 
#2
Canada Surrenders to Taliban............................and 'precision' American bombing.
 
#3
Can someone remind me why we didn't ethnically cleanse Quebec when we had the chance? Never wise to point to people's place of origin as the problem but in this case...
 
#6
Surrender? Foresight more like. There are no military solutions to Afghanistan's problems and there never will be.

Alexander, Persians, Moghuls, British Empire, Soviet Union - they all headed for the exit sign in the end and it's not going to be any different this time round.

Sooner or later there's going to be have to be some sort of political settlement with the 'Taliban'.
 
#7
Ralphy said:
Poutine = Canadian "delecacy"..its basically chips and thick gravey!
And cheese.......mmmmmmmmmmm Cheeeeesy
 
#8
I wouldn't discount the possibility of the following happening:

90% of troops pull out, leaving PRT and OMLT.
Security worsens, NGO's get beheaded.
'Oh look, we DO need a BG there'.
Task Force 1-12 deploys and carries on mission.


This is only if there is still a conservative government by then.
 
#9
Taz_786 said:
Surrender? Foresight more like. There are no military solutions to Afghanistan's problems and there never will be.

Alexander, Persians, Moghuls, British Empire, Soviet Union - they all headed for the exit sign in the end and it's not going to be any different this time round.

Sooner or later there's going to be have to be some sort of political settlement with the 'Taliban'.
Thats why they (US) didn't want Lord Ashdown out there, as he was advocating this idea.
 
#11
parapauk said:
Can someone remind me why we didn't ethnically cleanse Quebec when we had the chance? Never wise to point to people's place of origin as the problem but in this case...
Because after we'd conquered the region from France French descended colonists made up something like 99% of the local population and attempts to encourage new British colonists to settle in the region weren't going all that well. And then the government at the time was afraid that during the American Revolution the largely French population of the province might take the side of the Thirteen Colonies and rebel as well so they introduced the Quebec Act of 1774 which allowed them to continue to use French, be Catholic and use French civil law for private matters.
 
#12
Taz_786 said:
Surrender? Foresight more like. There are no military solutions to Afghanistan's problems and there never will be.

Alexander, Persians, Moghuls, British Empire, Soviet Union - they all headed for the exit sign in the end and it's not going to be any different this time round.

Sooner or later there's going to be have to be some sort of political settlement with the 'Taliban'.
Afghanistan isn't an impregnable fortress. Islamic armies managed to take over it, so it's not impossible!

Then again, before that Afghanistan was a Buddhist/Hindu haven so I'd imagine the people were much better back then and unfortunately were exposed to the entire wrath of the Muslims. Now look at the place.

A shame really.
 
#13
i dont know what the score out there is at the moment with the can's but both times i've been over there in the past 2 yrs they've been getting smashed on a daily basis - more than any others. i'm 1. surprised it hasn't made the news, and 2. there still fcuking there! good lads though. no matter what - they still go back out time after time.
 
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Taz_786 said:
Surrender? Foresight more like. There are no military solutions to Afghanistan's problems and there never will be.

Alexander, Persians, Moghuls, British Empire, Soviet Union - they all headed for the exit sign in the end and it's not going to be any different this time round
Well, that's all a bit dramatic and doesn't hold up well to scrutiny.

The Persians and Mongols ruled the friggin' place for centuries. Sounds like success to me.

The Soviets were on the verge of destroying the opposition until that nasty Reagan supplied stingers to the mujahadeen and they (the Soviets) unofficially capped their involvement to 100,000 personnel.

The truth is always less dramatic.
 
#16
Virgil said:
The Persians and Mongols ruled the friggin' place for centuries. Sounds like success to me.
Dont no how the Persians did it but didnt the mongols just burn nearly every town and village to the ground? i dont think we would get away with that.

Realisticly I think there key was in the mobility and they could hunt in any direction without returning to a base something we cannot acheive. As NATO troops keep having to go back to bases to resupply etc giving them less chance to track and stop the taleban setting there IEDs at night. sure this could be fixed though!
 
#17
I would think that previous invaders and conquerors didn't have Rules of Engagement, didn't have to worry about what the press would say about civilian casualties, brutal oppression of the conquered peoples and ill public opinion back home. A little easier to fight a war and conquer a country with little to no rules like today's engagements.
 
#18
I think the thread title is very inflamatory and inaccurate. Canada has not surrendered to the taliban. They have bled like most of ISAF contingents have.Last weekend the Canadians buried 3 more of its sons that had fallen in Afghanistan. Canada has punched way above its weight and has done a fantastic job in theater. They have paid their dues and if the government has to draw a line in the sand then so be it. Anything can happen by 2011 maybe the taliban will have surrendered. Canada and her armed forces have my utmost respect for their contribution to this fight.
 
#19
Tomahawk

don't get me wrong.. As a Canajan and one who has five members of his family serving in the CF [ and an almost son-in-law currently 'in theatre' ] I am fully in support of the guts and determination of the Armed Forces and the effect they are having for the Afghan people..

I am merely questioning the political will of the powers [ hopefully temporary ] that be, in setting a potentially unrealistic deadline for withdrawl, perhaps premature in the belief that the Government there will be up to handling things themselves and the Taliban suitably suppressed to the point of ineffectivenss.. Something we can be sure will not be the case [ at least in my opinion] when they are notified in advance of our leaving and can sit back, regroup and wait it out.

Its not like any of the other NATO powers will take up the slack and the Afghans themselves, I suspect , have long ago given up expecting the ' pledges' of assistance promised by the west will , in the form of cheques, arrive any time soon..
Once more it appears that strong and well executed military missions are to be undermined and subverted by the dithering indecisivness of the weakbrained politicians whose primary job is not to ' govern' but to get re-elected, despite the cost...
 

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