Canada foils 'al-Qaeda inspired' terror attack on train

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Canada's authorities say they have arrested and charged two people with conspiring to carry out an "al-Qaeda inspired" attack on a passenger train.

At a news conference, the authorities said the suspects Chiheb Esseghaier, 30, and Raed Jaser, 35, were arrested in Montreal and Toronto on Monday.

BBC News - Canada foils 'al-Qaeda inspired' terror attack on train

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linking to iran - oh oh
 
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If one wants to be cynical, one could speculate that CSIS dredged up a few low grade nutters they had been keeping an eye on to provide suitable background and justification for the revisions to existing anti-terrorism legislation currently before the house. That legislation had been hibernating as a low priority bill and wasn't expected to come before the house any time soon, but has suddenly been brought forward for emergency debate today, displacing the existing schedule.

The "emergency" though isn't due to some perceived immanent terrorist threat. The actual emergency is a Conservative Party backbencher revolt from members who are tired of being micro-managed by Prime Minister Harper. An opposition motion to limit the power of party whips was scheduled for today (Monday), but that has now been postponed due to this change until later in the week until after a Conservative caucus meeting where the leadership are expected to get out the rubber hoses to knock their own backbenchers back into line. Enough disgruntled Conservatives were predicted to vote with the opposition that the motion had a very good chance of passing.

If you want to be even more cynical, you could say that the motion was being introduced by the Liberals to help feed discontent in the Conservative backbenches.

So, the point that I am coming to here is that the timing of this arrest is probably unrelated to anything other than rather boring party politics.
 

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Eh
 
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Nobody takes the bloody VIA trains, They are ancient, expensive and don't run that often.
Ironically, much like the RCMP ;-)
 
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An 'AQ-inspired' attack sounds a lot more frightening than a 'Lawrence of Arabia-inspired' attack.
 
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An 'AQ-inspired' attack sounds a lot more frightening than a 'Lawrence of Arabia-inspired' attack.
Careful now, there was no devious plot to lead the Sheriff of Mecca astray in the most peaceful province of the Ottoman empire in order to thwart post Sykes-Picot French designs on Damascus. It's just AQ, all they do is blow shit up, they are never likely to comprehensively **** up an entire region in the manner of Franco-British rivalry a century ago.
 
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Nobody takes the bloody VIA trains, They are ancient, expensive and don't run that often.
Ironically, much like the RCMP ;-)
I took the train home on leave twice during the 70's, the second time because I couldn't believe the first time...
12 hours to cover a distance that I managed in just over two in a car.
 
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Via Rail train plot brings counterterrorism, civil liberties to top of House

Surprise, surprise.
Good thing to fight terrorism, Bad thing when laws can allow people who peacefully disagree with government to be tarred as terrorists, Time will tell I suppose, But it'll be wise to keep an eye on these laws in future, human nature and history are terribly predictable.
Are you saying that this is just 'security theatre' in order to push new laws through? Who gave them that idea?

Being slightly less cynical- how the fcuk do you get caught with a plot like this? I am no expert on the matter but I doubt it is difficult to derail a train, once you have learned how to make explosive.
 
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Are you saying that this is just 'security theatre' in order to push new laws through? Who gave them that idea?

Being slightly less cynical- how the fcuk do you get caught with a plot like this? I am no expert on the matter but I doubt it is difficult to derail a train, once you have learned how to make explosive.
On the BBC they are saying that the plot was supported by AQ in IRAN... which must be some kind of contradiction; meanwhile, they are also saying it was a connecting service between Canada and the US.

Do the Americans really need to link this to Iran?
 
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Large numbers of Canadians have travelled to Syria and Egypt to fight, and there are lots of Jihadis still there. There are lots of news stories on the Internet, but I haven't seen anything in the media here about it.
I guess Canada is very "enriched" these days.
 
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On the BBC they are saying that the plot was supported by AQ in IRAN... which must be some kind of contradiction; meanwhile, they are also saying it was a connecting service between Canada and the US.

Do the Americans really need to link this to Iran?
Nobody is linking it to the Iranian Government.
 
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On the BBC they are saying that the plot was supported by AQ in IRAN... which must be some kind of contradiction;
There's been no suggestion in the news that I read that the government of Iran is involved in any way. The suggestion was that certain persons who may be members of al-Qaeda who happen to be living in Iran may have communicated with these people. When the US (and friends) invaded Afghanistan, some senior AQ members tried to leg it via Iran. Iran grabbed them and has held them more or less as hostages to prevent AQ attacks on Iran (who AQ see as heretics).

RCMP Assistant Commissioner James Malizia said the two accused were getting "direction and guidance" from al-Qaeda elements in Iran. There was no information to suggest the attacks were state sponsored, he said.
 
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Are you saying that this is just 'security theatre' in order to push new laws through? Who gave them that idea?
Traffic on social media Monday speculated about the coincidence of the government rushing debate on the anti-terrorism bill on the same day the RCMP announced a major terrorism arrest involving an alleged attack planned on a Via Rail train in the Greater Toronto Area.

Asked by reporters about the timing of the hastily rescheduled debate, NDP defence critic Jack Harris said, "It is a little bit odd that we're having it the same day we're dealing with new legislation in the House of Commons, legislation that was put into effect ten years ago and frankly never used, and sunsetted five years ago and now being brought back again today, that's certainly suspicious."

"Whether the timing of the Mounties is predicated by that, that I don't know. I would certainly hope that the Minister of Public Safety wouldn't seek an announcement of this kind but I wouldn't want to impugn the motives of the RCMP in this," Harris said.
The "NDP defence critic Jack Harris" mentioned in the quote is one of the front benchers for the official opposition.

Government hurries debate on anti-terrorism bill - Canada - CBC News

The "Minister of Public Safety" is Vic Toews, and yes he really would do something like this.

York South-Weston NDP MP Mike Sullivan said former Progressive Conservative prime minister John Diefenbaker, a champion of civil rights, “would be rolling over in his grave” if he knew of this bill.
I don't often agree with the NDP, but I have to say that remark is right on the money.
 
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