Canada considering Direct Entry to SF

onefourbravo

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The Canadian Forces are considering whether to recruit elite special-forces soldiers straight off the street rather than forcing them to follow the traditional route of first spending several years in the military

Seeing how coming off civvy street and doing a specialist job, understandable for PQO type jobs, hasn't recieved the warmest of welcomes, but is it a bit strange to think that "really hard-charging, high-achieving individuals like varsity athletes and super-talented folks out there on civilian street" are interested in the special forces, but they don't want to spend several years in the regular military before applying.
Without doing some fashion of basic military training, would a varsity athlete be used to e.g. the idea of carrying on with a boring task after sleep deprivation ?
 
Can’t see any issues, how hard can it be?
 

Truxx

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The Canadian Forces are considering whether to recruit elite special-forces soldiers straight off the street rather than forcing them to follow the traditional route of first spending several years in the military

Seeing how coming off civvy street and doing a specialist job, understandable for PQO type jobs, hasn't recieved the warmest of welcomes, but is it a bit strange to think that "really hard-charging, high-achieving individuals like varsity athletes and super-talented folks out there on civilian street" are interested in the special forces, but they don't want to spend several years in the regular military before applying.
Without doing some fashion of basic military training, would a varsity athlete be used to e.g. the idea of carrying on with a boring task after sleep deprivation ?
UK SF have occasionaly done it over the years.
 

Daxx

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The merit in this seems sensible enough. You get the volunteer pool you need. You run selection. You might get some that fit the bill.
 
At this particular point in time there is a nice big pool with a long waiting list for those in the Canadian regs to even attempt SF selection, plus there is also a reserve option to draw from as well. “This is not about achieving quotas or anything else”, was a nice quote, but considering the manpower is already available, but just happens the vast majority are white young males........
 
I believe The US have a specific program that does the same and it’s possible through 21/23 or was.
 
IIRC, Chris Ryan did it from 23 SAS. Although he still had to have a parent unit, and did his basic training at Depot PARA. I think it has been done from R Squadron 22 SAS as well.
 
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Don't the US Army have the 18X programme for direct entry into the green berets?

Assuming that has been successful, perhaps the Canadians are following a good idea?
 
The US Navy do it pretty much straight from training
From what I have been told the Navy recruiter tries very hard to get the candidate to enlist in a specialist job as SEAL is considered more or less a follow on job rather than an initial job. They will if pushed write up the enlistment contract for SEAL selection if basic training is successfully completed. The downside of direct entry is that without a 'trade' if the candidate fail's BUDS they get posted to the fleet as a general dogsbody for the rest of their contract period - then they have to try and convince someone to let them get a trade if they want to stay. The switched on one's get themselves a trade with little training required and a high likelihood of being let go to BUDS quickly.

They were/are actively trying to grow the SEAL manning levels and have created a pre-BUDS school up in the Great Lakes to prepare candidates for A&S at BUDS. Due to the success of SF in the various campaigns word came from the highest office that there should be more SF. Where they are suddenly finding all those people who fit that very narrow profile I still wonder.

The US Army have the 18X program. This is a direct entry for SF candidates programme. Candidates have to complete basic and infantry training, airborne training, a pre-SF selection training period of, I think a month, specifically for the 18X's, then the full on assessment and selection Q course, followed by specialist individual skill training. There is a whole thing about it on the US Army website
 
The question is what does 3-5 years grav’ing it in a fighting company give a soldier over a swiftched on super fit direct recruit? Operational experience is all I can ascertain and to be honest after most people have had a taste they aren’t mad keen to have another

3-5 year of unit life doesn’t equate to 3-5 year of solid developmental trainings you can teach smart fit motivated ninjas in much tighter training schedules given well managed time and budget

HAC probably a reasonable example
 
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ugly

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HAC probably a reasonable example
As is 21/23 however late 80's there was a roadshow of regular bns trying to recruit thosenabout to leave the regs
 

Cold_Collation

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...the SBS tried it. Once. See Duncan Falconer's book.

The Aussies do it.

A lot of people forget that you once over couldn't direct entry into the Paras.
 

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