Canada arrests Huawei’s global chief financial officer in Vancouver

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Canada arrests Huawei’s global chief financial officer in Vancouver
Canada has arrested the chief financial officer of China’s Huawei Technologies, who now faces extradition to the United States on suspicion she violated U.S. trade sanctions against Iran.

Meng Wanzhou, who is also the deputy chair of Huawei’s board and the daughter of company founder Ren Zhengfei, was arrested on Saturday in Vancouver at the request of American law enforcement authorities.
It is an interesting situation. Ms.Meng hasn't violated any Canadian laws.
A Canadian law-enforcement source with knowledge of the arrest said the United States is alleging Ms. Meng tried to evade the American embargo against Iran, but provided no further details.
U.S. prosecutors in New York have been investigating whether Huawei violated U.S. sanctions in relation to Iran, which was first reported by the Wall Street Journal in April.
And even US prosecutors are not sure has she violated American laws.
 
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U.S. prosecutors in New York have been investigating whether Huawei violated U.S. sanctions in relation to Iran, which was first reported by the Wall Street Journal in April.
About the same time as the EU looked to blocking the effect of US sanctions against Iran and allow EU corporates to continue/resume trading.

More to this than meets the eye, you do not just pick up a Tier 1 executive because you think something might have gone on.
 
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To answer your implied question the reason Ms Weng was arrested and did not hurl herself out of her basement onto the top of the CN Tower is because the west, flawed as we are, are not run by murderous kleptocrats.
So they are kleptocrats but not murderous.
 
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Considering there is a publication ban (at the request of Meng) lack of public information is a given. Unlike the shïthole Russia, Canada actually respects people’s legal rights.....
Apparently you point to
“She is sought for extradition by the United States, and a bail hearing has been set for Friday,” Justice Department spokesman Ian McLeod said in a statement to The Globe and Mail on Wednesday. “As there is a publication ban in effect, we cannot provide any further detail at this time. The ban was sought by Ms. Meng.”
Publication ban? But who has made this decision and on what ground? It is absolutely unclear.
 
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Meanwhile
www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-12-05/huawei-cfo-arrested-in-canada-as-u-s-seeks-her-extradition
China wants the U.S. and Canada “to clarify the grounds for the detention, to release the detainee and earnestly safeguard the legitimate rights and interests of the person involved,” Foreign Ministry spokesman Geng Shuang said Thursday at a press briefing.
Indeed, grounds for the detention are absolutely unclear.
Meng’s arrest came on the day that Donald Trump and Xi Jinping dined in Buenos Aires, setting in motion a truce in the rising U.S.-China trade tensions. But Huawei itself already had been a flashpoint between Washington and Beijing.
At the same time anti-Chinese 'witch hunt' is unleashed in Canada. I fancy that the real cause of the detention is connected to the fact that
Huawei’s ambitions span artificial intelligence and chipmaking to fifth-generation wireless. That last effort, a massive push into the future of mobile and internet communications, has raised hackles in the U.S. and become a focal point for American attempts to contain China’s ascendancy.
As for the detention then - It's business, nothing personal.
 
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It wasn't so very long back that the Head of Interpol, Meng Hongwei 'disappeared'... turned out he had been arrested on arriving in China and was reportedly being held and investigated by the Chinese Ministry of Public Security in Beijing.

Not sure if he has been confirmed as being alive or dead since but hey, the Chinese clearly have a very high regard for an individual's human rights... hence the vociferous protest at Canada's arrest of Ms Meng Wanzhou.
 
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Apparently you point to

Publication ban? But who has made this decision and on what ground? It is absolutely unclear.
A judge made the decision after Meng applied for a ban, arrested people actually have rights in Canada, including privacy, novel idea eh?
 
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It wasn't so very long back that the Head of Interpol, Meng Hongwei 'disappeared'... turned out he had been arrested on arriving in China and was reportedly being held and investigated by the Chinese Ministry of Public Security in Beijing.

Not sure if he has been confirmed as being alive or dead since but hey, the Chinese clearly have a very high regard for an individual's human rights... hence the vociferous protest at Canada's arrest of Ms Meng Wanzhou.
Yes, I'd forgotten his vanishment and resignation. Thank you for the reminder.
 
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It wasn't so very long back that the Head of Interpol, Meng Hongwei 'disappeared'... turned out he had been arrested on arriving in China and was reportedly being held and investigated by the Chinese Ministry of Public Security in Beijing.

Not sure if he has been confirmed as being alive or dead since but hey, the Chinese clearly have a very high regard for an individual's human rights... hence the vociferous protest at Canada's arrest of Ms Meng Wanzhou.
No one knows if he is even still alive....
 
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About the same time as the EU looked to blocking the effect of US sanctions against Iran and allow EU corporates to continue/resume trading.

More to this than meets the eye, you do not just pick up a Tier 1 executive because you think something might have gone on.
Huawei is currently the major player in developing 5G networks around the globe and is the main competitor for US tech firms looking to garner the market. Whichever succeeds in dominating the initial stage of network development will have effectively set the standard in terms of its own technology and protocols and gained a huge market advantage. This is about who gets to win the global economy.

In entirely unrelated news which just coincidentally emerged at the same time other countries were starting to think about who to turn to for 5G technology, the US has discovered just in time that buying from Huawei compromises security, causes male pattern baldness and is single-handedly responsible for Godlessness, profanity and the dilution of our precious bodily essences.
 
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Meanwhile
www.theglobeandmail.com/world/article-this-is-like-a-sudden-attack-china-lashes-out-at-canada-over-arrest/
China is demanding that Canada release Huawei Technologies chief financial officer Meng Wanzhou, whose arrest is now being characterized as kidnapping in Beijing.
“Without any solid evidence, the Canadian and U.S. governments trampled on international law by basically ‘kidnapping’ Chinese citizen Meng Wanzhou,” Mei Xinyu, a research fellow with an institute under the Ministry of Commerce, wrote in the pages of the Global Times, a nationalist tabloid published by the Communist Party.
Tom Fowdy, a British political analyst writing for the state-run CGTN network, called Canada a party to a “political hostage-taking by the Trump administration.”
“Detaining a person without providing an explanation has undoubtedly violated her human rights,” Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Geng Shuang said on Thursday. The Chinese government “has made clear our solemn positions to the U.S. and Canada,” Mr. Geng said. Neither Canada nor the United States has yet to give “any explanation on the reason for the detention,” he added.
“This is like a sudden attack,” said Li Daokui, a prominent scholar and director of the Centre for China in the World Economy at Tsinghua University.
“Imagine that Facebook’s Sheryl Sandberg was detained in Japan or Korea at the request of the Chinese government. Imagine what the political response would be in the U.S.”
It is not clear has ms.Meng a lawyer, has Chinese embassy consular access to her.
Ah... I suspect that ms.Meng herself 'doesn't wish' to meet with Chinese diplomats.
FUREY: The Huawei arrest will have ramifications for Canada
While her court appearance Wednesday in British Columbia is under a publication ban (at Meng’s request), it’s been reported that the U.S. wants her in relation to suspected violations of the sanctions on Iran. That may be. But that’s not its only problem with Huawei, one of the world’s largest tech companies and phone manufacturers.
It’s hard to understate the significance of this news, which sent tech stops dropping upon its announcement.
If Prime Minister Justin Trudeau knew about the arrest in advance, which he almost certainly did, it’s huge news that suggests he’s at least somewhat on board with U.S. President Donald Trump’s plans to challenge China’s push for greater global dominance.
I suppose that mr.Trudeau is too young and unexperienced. Maybe he just doesn't understand future problems connected with such type detention. Now Canadian business people could be detained exactly the same way and not only in China but in many countries (Asian, African, Latin American) at Chinese request.
 
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We'll have to see what the judge says. I suspect she will get bail, but told not to leave Vancouver (good thing she speaks Chinese so she can talk with the locals). Then there's the extradition case itself, which could drag on for a while.

Wanzhou Meng and her husband own several houses in Vancouver, so it's quite possible she isn't going to have to put up with living in a hotel while this gets sorted out one way or another.
Huawei executive arrested at YVR appears to have family ties to Vancouver homes

Canada has extradited people to China (although for crimes actually committed in China), so it shouldn't be a huge surprise that the US can ask for this as well.

The courts are not likely to look at whether or not the American charges are credible, just at the technicalities of whether the request was made in the proper format and if the foreign charges in question were related to something that was also a crime in Canada. The latter point may give her lawyer something to work with if the American charges are too vague.

So far though, this looks political from several angles. It may have as much to do with the US attempting to sabotage Canadian trade talks with China that it does with Huawei. It was pretty clear from the recent NAFTA talks with the US that the Americans were going to do pretty much everything possible to undermine any Canadian trade deals with China as Canada tries to pull further away from the American orbit.

There are multiple news stories about this in the Globe and Mail (see the link in the opening post in this thread), which is Canada's premier general news and business newspaper. This is being seen as big news, and the general consensus is that Canada is being caught in the middle of a cold war between the US and China.

As this story notes whether or not this is really a sanctions case or whether it is part of a larger American scheme to contain fast growing Chinese businesses in an attempt to limit Chinese economic growth, is moot. Canada is stuck between a rock and a hard place and the Americans have more leverage.
Canada will pay a price no matter what for its part in the worsening U.S.-China conflict
The senior ranks of the U.S. government clearly see China as a strategic threat that must be contained. Whether Ms. Meng was arrested over the Iran sanctions, or as part of a larger American scheme to contain Huawei and other fast-growing Chinese high-technology firms is, in one sense, moot. Canada will be expected to do its part in enforcing that containment. The Chinese, in turn, will react powerfully to any efforts to limit their country’s growth and influence.

(...) We are between a rock and a hard place – bound to offend the Chinese, unless in order to placate them we offend the Americans far worse. Canada’s highest foreign-policy priority is to prevent the Trump administration from imposing tariffs on Canadian exports. So placating China is not an option. In any case, Canada is bound by history and self-interest to come to the aid of the Americans when called. And the Americans are clearly calling.
 
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Canada has extradited people to China (although for crimes actually committed in China), so it shouldn't be a huge surprise that the US can ask for this as well.
As I understand, Canada extradicted Chinese citizens to China for real crimes committed in China.
I reckon it can not be compared with this case.
Just imagine that China detains top Canadian businessman without any explanations allegedly to be extradicted to Russia, for example for arms supplies to Ukraine.
In such a case I would expect real storm in Canadian and Western mass media.
 
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Trudeau says he knew about the arrest of a top Huawei executive
Prime Minister Justin Trudeau says he knew in advance the chief financial officer of China’s Huawei Technologies would be arrested in Vancouver, but emphasized there was no political involvement in the case that has sparked angry protests from Beijing and concerns about repercussion against Canada.
There was no political involvement? Really? So if it is just a criminal case then why he was ever informed?
The detention of Meng Wanzhou, the daughter of Huawei’s founder, has drawn Canada into a global power struggle between the United States and China. The two countries are in the midst of a trade war and are fighting over U.S. assertions that the Chinese telecom giant is a national-security risk and a pawn of the ruling Communist Party.
So effectively state of Canada is becoming 51st state.
Mr. Trudeau, whose government is seeking closer economic ties with Beijing,
Ha-ha.
said Thursday that Canadian Justice Department officials decided to arrest Ms. Meng
They 'decided'? Really? Such decisions are impossible without approval on the high political level.
“The appropriate authorities took the decisions in this case,” Mr. Trudeau told reporters in Montreal. “We were advised by them with a few days’ notice that this was in the works but, of course, there was no engagement or involvement in the political level in this decision because we respect the independence of our judicial processes.”
So 'we were advised them' and at the same time there was no involvement on the political level.
And of course 'we respect the independence of our judicial processes.' But why it was needed to 'advise them'?
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Vancouver-based immigration lawyer Richard Kurland ... warned Canadian and American citizens in China are now at risk of being caught up in retaliation from Beijing.
Unlike moron Putin who fears to pay to the USA using the same coin (for humilitating detentions of Russian citizens), the Chinese are tough people and will no doubt retaliate. They could ask the Russians to land some planes over Russia and detain proper US/Canadian citizens for extradiction to China.
“Everyone’s at risk. I am concerned there is now an appetite to nab-and-grab a Canadian,” Mr. Kurland said. “As of today, if Canada and the United States are doing this to Chinese citizens, what is to prevent China to doing the same thing to citizens of Canada or the United States for economic crimes or what-have-you?”
Does young and unexperienced mr.Trudeau understand what Pandora box has he opened?
 
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Trudeau says he knew about the arrest of a top Huawei executive

There was no political involvement? Really? So if it is just a criminal case then why he was ever informed? (...)
Because it was going to have political consequences no matter what Canada did. This would have gone through the police (she hasn't appeared in court yet) who would have notified the higher authorities of what was happening so they could prepare for the reaction. Recall that Canada did not initiate this.

Does young and unexperienced mr.Trudeau understand what Pandora box has he opened?
He seems quite aware of the problem, but does not have a lot of room for manoeuvre in a battle between the US and China.

As I mentioned above, I suspect the purpose of this is at least partially an attempt by the Americans to sabotage Canadian trade talks with China.
 
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Huawei is currently the major player in developing 5G networks around the globe and is the main competitor for US tech firms looking to garner the market. Whichever succeeds in dominating the initial stage of network development will have effectively set the standard in terms of its own technology and protocols and gained a huge market advantage. This is about who gets to win the global economy.

In entirely unrelated news which just coincidentally emerged at the same time other countries were starting to think about who to turn to for 5G technology, the US has discovered just in time that buying from Huawei compromises security, causes male pattern baldness and is single-handedly responsible for Godlessness, profanity and the dilution of our precious bodily essences.
In entirely related news, Huewei has (and ZTE) been pointed out to be the major player in Chinese espionage since 2011. On entering the global market in 2009, heavily subsidised by China making their products artificially cheaper, and with Chinese Banks making loans to telecommunications infrastructure projects that don't seek repayment for years, these companies have rapidly obtained positions in approximately 80% of the international infrastructure covering about 145 countries. Obviously, their market "dominance" is not based on quality, just cheaply bid, backdoored equipment, that is basically "free" for a decade offered to the budget sensitive.

The continuing scrutiny of Huewei is nothing new, and potential deals between them and other major players have been looked at, and denied, since their step onto the world stage.

Interesting hard coded backdoor discovery/disclosure here from 2013.

Interesting current hard coded backdoor discovery/disclosure here.

Anyone still using any Huewei or ZTE phones on Orange? Have a shuffle through t'interwibble around 2011-12 on phone backdoors.
 

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