Can you forgive?

#1
I have always been struck by the omnipresent levels of vitriol aimed at certain Republican figures who now stand in office (of sorts), judging by the levels and tone of response when anything to do with any of those chaps pops up the wounds are still fresh and very much open.

A good deal of my lot had lost their lives on Herrick when a troop
of us settled down for a banyan with a couple of local chiefs and a number of ex Taliban. It wasn't exactly a roller disco but i learned in those 2 hours what their hopes and dreams were, how they now viewed the West's involvement in Afghanistan and one showed pictures of his family, in particular a sister who at that point I would have back stroked through cat shit to sniff her undercarriage.

Looking at them across the rug I didn't associate the individual with the act (the act of killing my colleagues), they in turn didn't seem too upset with us, one of said he remembers being afforded 5 minutes of ceasefire from the British when he went forward to pick up his mangled pal.

Are you sure some of you older lot aren't being a bit dramatic? I mean, you weren't at it every day, you were up against a near partisan group with a few thousand AKs and some swear words. In fairness to McGuiness and Adams and co they have played an integral part in getting those loosely on the road to recovery and I think without their persistent effort and community influence life wouldn't be as good in the Counties as it is now.

So am I understanding this wrong or are the scars too deep?
 
#3
This should be interesting.
One old guy stopped me at Euston Station once and did the 'nudge nudge wink wink' routine before telling me I shouldn't carry a bergan round in public because theres IRA about, I think they'd fragged a bus the day before.
It's a shame for him, spending the rest of his life hiding behind the curtains looking out for a few bad tempered Irish men.
 
#4
Good question actually. be interesting to read the replies. Now, i know its the NAAFI but i'm going with a serious reply.

I did 4 tours there & came back with a small plate in my noggin & a lot of difficulties that came to the surface 20 years later. I have to say as time has gone on my indifference to those responsible for all the murder & mayhem has increased. Now, all I want is peace over there. Not because the locals deserve it but because I don't think the place is worthy of the life of another serviceman or Police officer.

My approach is, as long as peace reigns & we don't have to go back to the old days, the old kind can run for & be in office to their hearts content. Besides, they'll die like the rest of us & hopefully the new generation can see past the barbarity & bigotry of both sides of the divide & realise its all a load of shite & just get on with living.
 

Bouillabaisse

LE
Book Reviewer
#6
I suspect one of the major differences is that if Mullah Omar or any other known Taliban leader went through a check point he'd be in an orange jumpsuit on his way to a waterboarding in Gitmo pretty fast. Whereas Adams and his ilk managed to live their lives with a certain amount of official protection rather than harassment.

And civil wars are always more bitter
 
#8
I have always been struck by the omnipresent levels of vitriol aimed at certain Republican figures who now stand in office (of sorts), judging by the levels and tone of response when anything to do with any of those chaps pops up the wounds are still fresh and very much open.

A good deal of my lot had lost their lives on Herrick when a troop
of us settled down for a banyan with a couple of local chiefs and a number of ex Taliban. It wasn't exactly a roller disco but i learned in those 2 hours what their hopes and dreams were, how they now viewed the West's involvement in Afghanistan and one showed pictures of his family, in particular a sister who at that point I would have back stroked through cat shit to sniff her undercarriage.

Looking at them across the rug I didn't associate the individual with the act (the act of killing my colleagues), they in turn didn't seem too upset with us, one of said he remembers being afforded 5 minutes of ceasefire from the British when he went forward to pick up his mangled pal.

Are you sure some of you older lot aren't being a bit dramatic? I mean, you weren't at it every day, you were up against a near partisan group with a few thousand AKs and some swear words. In fairness to McGuiness and Adams and co they have played an integral part in getting those loosely on the road to recovery and I think without their persistent effort and community influence life wouldn't be as good in the Counties as it is now.

So am I understanding this wrong or are the scars too deep?

I'm going to complain to my MP. The level of fishing has sunk to an all time low.
 
#9
You never hear it from the Borneo/Aden/Radfan/Falklands ect chaps, a certain level of distaste exists purely for the IRA, in whatever guise.
But the enemy there were assorted darkies, towel heads, dagoes etc so are already looked down on and punished by being blackballed at the Golf club...
 
#10
One old guy stopped me at Euston Station once and did the 'nudge nudge wink wink' routine before telling me I shouldn't carry a bergan round in public because theres IRA about, I think they'd fragged a bus the day before.
It's a shame for him, spending the rest of his life hiding behind the curtains looking out for a few bad tempered Irish men.
I used to work with a chap who once told me that after the IRA murdered a recruiter in Derby in the '90's he started checking his car before going to work in the morning. He'd been out of the Army for years and knew he was being paranoid but just couldnt help himself. Strange how the brain works.

Any, back on thread I think Ches has it bang on.
 

Ravers

LE
Kit Reviewer
Book Reviewer
#11
One old guy stopped me at Euston Station once and did the 'nudge nudge wink wink' routine before telling me I shouldn't carry a bergan round in public because theres IRA about, I think they'd fragged a bus the day before.
It's a shame for him, spending the rest of his life hiding behind the curtains looking out for a few bad tempered Irish men.
You should've said: ''Don't know what you are talking about mate, I got this bag down Camden market.''

I've gotta say it's always pissed me off when people make a big deal of wearing uniform in public etc. It's fucking pointless.

I would've thought the 6 pack of Stella, gash civvies, copy of Nuts magazine and the fact that I'm travelling through Waterloo on a Friday afternoon with a massive bag of dirty laundry, quite clearly identify me as a member of HM Forces.
 
#16
Whereas I, living in the freedom that his generation had afforded me, didn't mind the Germans one bit. They made great cars (a 1970s Audi vs a 1970s Austin Maxi was a joke!), and when I got posted there, I found I actually liked them, great work ethic, knew how to have fun, not much unruly youth crime, high standard of living.
Lack of crime generally. No Pikeys, you see. Wonder where they'd got to?
 
#18
do you think the difference is maybe because its closer to home? the bloke you mention speaking to at the shura, do you think you'd feel differently if he was on the news every other night doing quite well for himself (off your taxes as well)? the only thing i think i can compare it too is that i really do hope something unpleasant happens to Hamid Karzai.
 

B_AND_T

MIA
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#19
As this is the NAAFI and I don't have any reasonable contibution to make, can I just say "moist hairy minge"
 
#20
So we were utterly faultless throughout? Go hire a skip you can lick :)
Thats a good point. I can say that if I had been the subject of some of the bigotry & ethnic cleansing that occurred in the 60's & early 70's against the left footers i would have considered joining the republican movement side in some form. I'm not saying I would have gone to bomb & kill, most definitely not, but my sympathies would have lain with the republican cause. Right or wrong. Dunno if that opinion is going to upset a few people but what happened in those dark days was the pre-cursor to all the shit we had to mop up later.
 

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