Can we buy our own plate carriers the or what?

#1
Now then now then... I keep on hearing rumours that lads are now allowed to use thier own plate carriers, ala Blackhawk, Paraclete etc, so long as they clear it through their life insurance, as the only bit of Osprey that you cannot change is obviously the filler, and the plates. Is this gen up? or is it just the Walts wanting to look like our boys in black?

Oh my god, I just heard a similar rumour regarding helmets.....
 
#3
Personally, I doubt this is true. The MOD is liable for your safety regardless of the arrangement you make insurance-wise (health and safety at work etc).

"Sir, can we stop, me webtex plate carrier's just broken."
OR
"The coroner's report said that Soldier B died of gunshot wounds to the chest, which would have been prevented had he been wearing the issued armour system. The victim's family are reported to be seeking legal advice."

As for helmets, the para lid is now in the process of being banned, as it doesn't provide sufficient protection, so civvy helmets are unlikely. Not only that, but helmets are vital for identification (why do you think journos wear the PASGT?).

Your leg is being pulled, I think. Or have I been wah'ed?
 
#4
Para helmet is deffo banned, i'm off to the stan in days few, and we have been told that only the Mk6a is to be used. not heard anything about plate carriers either.
 
#5
Anybody know the extent to which protection is reduced by wearing the plate without the backing to absorb the kinetic energy of a fragment or round hitting it? Something tells me its significant.
 

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#7
So he can decide if he wants to chance it or not. :)
 
#8
Dragstrip said:
Anybody know the extent to which protection is reduced by wearing the plate without the backing to absorb the kinetic energy of a fragment or round hitting it? Something tells me its significant.
Death is pretty significant. So is serious injury (if you're lucky enough not to die). If a round hits the plate, the energy of the bullet has to go somewhere; into the plate. The plate is rigid, therefore the energy cannot be absorbed by deformation of the plate (as would happen with kevlar armour), ergo the energy is passed to you. This will throw you off your feet, shatter ribs and probably do you a serious injury; think being hit in the chest with a sledgehammer, but several times harder.

Armour has a blunt trauma shield because without it you will still die if you get shot. Plate carriers are not a solution on their own; they merely provide extra protection.

If I were you, mate, I wouldn't get myself shot, but each to his own :D
 
#9
Didn't kit monster show an OSPREY replacement which is supposed to be; "Better....... Stronger.............. Faster" ?
 
#10
There is better stuff than osprey; smaller, lighter, etc. Osprey, however, is proven; it stops rounds, it doesn't break too easily; it doesn't have any major faults which make it unsuitable. If people are allowed to use their own, then some numpty will pitch up in a thin-as-cardboard police vest rated against 9mm which provides no protection against 7.62

The PECOC stuff looks pretty good; much lower profile. But that won't come through for a while.
 
#11
Bravo_Zulu said:
There is better stuff than osprey; smaller, lighter, etc. Osprey, however, is proven; it stops rounds, it doesn't break too easily; it doesn't have any major faults which make it unsuitable. If people are allowed to use their own, then some numpty will pitch up in a thin-as-cardboard police vest rated against 9mm which provides no protection against 7.62

The PECOC stuff looks pretty good; much lower profile. But that won't come through for a while.
What about loads of old soldier mags stitched inside a smock???
 

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#12
OPTAG are now briefing that there is an issue plate carrier that will be issued alongside Osprey to those units that require it. With regards to wearing it, that will be mission-specific under local authority.
 
#13
its just a rumour I heard.... doing the rounds. i just wandered if anyone else had heard it. i personally go for issue tissue when out in afghan. As for pouches, i go for paraclete molle pouches. No reason, I just dnt like the issue pouches.
 
#16
So what is the crack with plate carriers then?! After reading this months Soldier Magazine the boys from 3 PARA rate them pretty highly (the issued ones that is).
 
#17
Apparently a plate carrier and ECBA is more comfortable than Osprey for some tasks; provides better mobility, although not such good protection. Never worn one; just what I heard.
 
#19
Plate carriers were issued in a trial basis during H7 after complaints about the cumlative weight of kit required to be carried, even on short patrols. Plate carriers are now issued to those units thought likely to be engaged in prolonged foot patrolling activity, particulary during the hot summer months. The obvious gains are greater mobility and making it easier to bring one's weapon to bear, the downside is risk from side entry of a round or general fragmentation. The decision to wear either plate carrier or osprey is generally the local commander's to make.
 

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