Can only whites be racist?

#1
Email I got. Obv. applicable to US but the latest furore over the car vandal getting 'beaten up' by a copper makes me think it's relevant here too.


Proud To Be White
Someone finally said it.
How many are actually paying attention to this?
There are African Americans, Mexican Americans,
Asian Americans, Arab Americans, Native Americans, etc.
And then there are just Americans.
You pass me on the street and sneer in my direction.
You Call me "White boy," "Cracker," "Honkey,"
"Whitey," "Caveman" . And that's OK.
But when I call you, n***er, Kike, Towel head,
Sand-n***er, camel Jockey, Beaner, Gook, or Chink .
You call me a racist.
You say that whites commit a lot of violence against you,
So why are the ghettos the most dangerous places to live?
You have the United Negro College Fund. You have
Martin Luther King Day. You have
Black History Month.
You have Cesar Chavez Day. You have Yom Hashoah. You
Have Ma'uled Al-Nabi. You have the NAACP.
You have BET.
If we had WET (White Entertainment Television)
We'd be racists.
If we had a White Pride Day . You would call us racists.
If we had White History Month . We'd be racists.
If we had any organization for only whites to "advance" OUR
lives
We'd be racists.
We have a Hispanic Chamber of Commerce, a Black
Chamber of Commerce, and then we just have the plain
Chamber of Commerce.
Wonder who pays for that?
If we had a college fund that only gave white students
Scholarships
You know we'd be racists.
There are over 60 openly proclaimed Black Colleges in
The US , yet if there were "White colleges"
THAT would be a racist college.
In the Million Man March, you believed that you were
Marching for your race and rights. If we marched for our
Race and rights,
You would call us racists.
You are proud to be black, brown, yellow and orange,
And you're not afraid to announce it. But when we
Announce our white pride .
You call us racists.
You rob us, carjack us, and shoot at us. But, when a
White police officer shoots a black gang member or beats
Up a black drug-dealer running from the law and posing
A threat to society you call him a racist.
I am proud.
But, you call me a racist.
Why is it that only whites can be racists?
 
#2
If we lived in a world where say predominantly non-white people had lorded it over white people for a long time, im pretty sure there would be white organisations similar to those you mention.

Its the way of the world im afraid!
 

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#3
AndyPipkin said:
Email I got. Obv. applicable to US but the latest furore over the car vandal getting 'beaten up' by a copper makes me think it's relevant here too.


Proud To Be White
Someone finally said it.
How many are actually paying attention to this?
There are African Americans, Mexican Americans,
Asian Americans, Arab Americans, Native Americans, etc.
And then there are just Americans.
You pass me on the street and sneer in my direction.
You Call me "White boy," "Cracker," "Honkey,"
"Whitey," "Caveman" . And that's OK.
But when I call you, n***er, Kike, Towel head,
Sand-n***er, camel Jockey, Beaner, Gook, or Chink .
You call me a racist.
You say that whites commit a lot of violence against you,
So why are the ghettos the most dangerous places to live?
You have the United Negro College Fund. You have
Martin Luther King Day. You have
Black History Month.
You have Cesar Chavez Day. You have Yom Hashoah. You
Have Ma'uled Al-Nabi. You have the NAACP.
You have BET.
If we had WET (White Entertainment Television)
We'd be racists.
If we had a White Pride Day . You would call us racists.
If we had White History Month . We'd be racists.
If we had any organization for only whites to "advance" OUR
lives
We'd be racists.
We have a Hispanic Chamber of Commerce, a Black
Chamber of Commerce, and then we just have the plain
Chamber of Commerce.
Wonder who pays for that?
If we had a college fund that only gave white students
Scholarships
You know we'd be racists.
There are over 60 openly proclaimed Black Colleges in
The US , yet if there were "White colleges"
THAT would be a racist college.
In the Million Man March, you believed that you were
Marching for your race and rights. If we marched for our
Race and rights,
You would call us racists.
You are proud to be black, brown, yellow and orange,
And you're not afraid to announce it. But when we
Announce our white pride .
You call us racists.
You rob us, carjack us, and shoot at us. But, when a
White police officer shoots a black gang member or beats
Up a black drug-dealer running from the law and posing
A threat to society you call him a racist.
I am proud.
But, you call me a racist.
Why is it that only whites can be racists?



You arsehole. Just what agenda are you pushing here, BNP? KKK? To think I was appalled enough by your usual crap about English nationalism.
 
#4
It makes sense, ignore who's posting it and read what it says itself. A lot of its true.
 
#5
Some of it is, alot of it is put in the wrong context though
 
#6
During my service I served in many countries where white skin was in the monority. Many of the locals were just as offensive in their language and conduct as the worst racially-prejudiced conduct we see reported in UK.
 
#7
As a white, protestant, hetrosexual, male copper, being racist is the only thing these days I'm expected to be. Don't let the PC-brigade take that away from me too!
 
#9
AndyPipkin said:
Fortunately PC fascists like Sixty have yet to stifle free speech here on arrse.
Ignore him. He's bitter because he's a civilian. If he'd ever been on a two way range against "ethnics" his views may well change.
 
#10
I could be wrong here (I was just a kid at the time) but didn't Enoch Powell comment that the early race relations laws state just that? And he was branded racist because he pointed it out, not because of any personal views?
 
#11
putteesinmyhands said:
I could be wrong here (I was just a kid at the time) but didn't Enoch Powell comment that the early race relations laws state just that? And he was branded racist because he pointed it out, not because of any personal views?
He was. Indeed, he was ostracised by a Tory party that was already (mid-1960s) beginning to slide into PC-ness. And posterity has been equally unkind to him. He's incessantly referred to by the BBC etc. as the man who gave the "rivers of blood speech". In fact, he said no such words, but - looking with a perceptive and prophetic eye to the race problems that were shortly to come to the surface in the UK - he said, "Like the ancient Roman, I see the Tiber foaming with much blood." That is a very different statement, and the passing of time proved him correct.

Powell was not a racist in any respect, and I defy anyone to find a single racist remark in anything he ever said or wrote. Those who served with him in the Army (where he was one of the youngest-ever wartime Brigadiers, and also an elite-grade Urdu interpreter/ translator) gave glowing accounts of his great success with all ranks, especially in the Indian Army, to which he was passionately committed.

As for the question that triggered this thread - Can only whites be racist? - the answer is self-evidently NO. Whites have absolutely no monopoly on racism, and attitudes and events all over the world bear this out. If in doubt, start by checking the dictionary meaning of "racist". "The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others [my emphasis]. Discrimination or prejudice based on race."
 
#12
I'm in no way racist, I think that being racist against white people exists the same as it does against any other race. Equal opportunities should be that. Most of the time what people percieve as racist comments are really just water off a ducks back. If I got upset about everytime people called me a porridge wog or a sweaty sock I wouldn't have much time to live life. Even in the same race we differentiate between people and a classic example of this is when southern jocks call the notherners teuchters. Most of the time, its because of political correctness, normal folks are uncomfortable differentiating in any way. Do we call black people "black" or do we call them coloured or ethnic?. Some of my best mates are from different cultures and what I call them depends on the individual. Once you know someone, you know what you can call them comfortably and in our environment, it aint usually their race that they worry about.
 
#13
I don't think it's that bad...although the "blackboard" was changed because it was seen as racist and to what.....the whiteboard but yet no complaints!

I don't think the problem is of Black and White Britons...but of the asylum seekers. They tried stopping us putting up our flags during the World Cup/Euro and even went as far as trying to stop childrens stories such as the three little pigs because they can't eat pork and bah bah black sheep!
 
#14
Racisam my Arrse.
Every nation is racist.
I am a 'Frang' living in some elses cuntry.
I accept that I am not a local born and am the butt of many local in jokes.
I have many local friends and find that I am accepted for what I am.
I live in Mid East for 9 years, go cry racism there.
Someone mention on the board of late that its old Socilist policy to destroy the traditional values of the Western Capitalist states.
i remember long ago argueing that it was Old labour policy to first destroy the education system in UK, done well haven't they, now the Heath System and the Civil Service.
Yes racist all of yous only us good socialists left.
john
 
#15
Well I cant blame people for labelling white nationislts as racists. Hitler didn't exaclty give it a good name in his attempt to create an 'Aryan' race. Now white pride is usually associated with neo-nazism that incites hate speech towards minorities. e.g BNP

In my opinion everyone should be allowed to take pride in their own heritage.

JT
 

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#16
caubeen said:
...start by checking the dictionary meaning of "racist". "The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others [my emphasis]. Discrimination or prejudice based on race."
Interestingly enough this must be a modern dictionary. Older ones had two separate words...

Racism meant 'The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability'

while Racialism meant 'that a particular race is superior to others'

The two words had very specific and different meanings. I recall as a teenager when I used the words racialist/and racialism everyone used to tell me 'Its racism, not racialism'. Ironic as what they were usually describing was racialism. I'll see if I can root out a dictionary with both words in...
 

Nehustan

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#17
racialism - Belief in the superiority of a particular race leading to prejudice and antagonism towards people of other races, esp. those in close proximity who may be felt as a threat to one's cultural and racial integrity or economic well-being.

1907 Daily Chron. 2 Jan. 6/5 The two principal planks in the party platform are opposition to all racialism and co~operation with the Government. 1910 Westm. Gaz. 11 Apr. 10/3 What appears to me to be the greatest results of the Botha-Smuts Government is the abolition of Racialism and the construction of roads. 1925 E. S. JONES Christ of Indian Road ii. 67 Amid the racial clash and bitterness there stands one who is the Son of man. Racialism withers at his touch. 1934 R. MACAULAY Going Abroad xv. 127 A Cape Afrikander..had renounced Dutch racialism and the detestation of the English. 1938 Sun (Baltimore) 2 Sept. 10/1 The Italian Jews are thus to be added to the victims of Hitler's imbecile ‘racialism’, now adopted by Mussolini as a sop to superior force. 1940 R. BENEDICT Race: Science & Politics vii. 215 Racialism has become involved in scientific absurdities under the Third Reich. 1955 Times 20 Aug. 5/5 The Prime Minister spoke on race relations, commenting that in the last session of Parliament there had been less racialism in debate and more moderation. 1960 Spectator 6 May 650/1 The two main convictions of racialism are, firstly..‘The highest aim of human existence is the conservation of the race..the maintenance of the racial stock unmixed’..and secondly, that once a man's mind is made up about this, he can never think of changing it. 1971 S. ABBOTT Prevention of Racial Discrimination i. 16 Britain's long history of colonialism over~seas does not sufficiently explain the present racialism in this country. 1975 Daily Tel. 13 Nov. 16/3 Racism, or racialism, or racial discrimination,..covers everything from a vile form of monomania to the innocent preference of human beings for association with their own kind. 1977 P. JOHNSON Enemies of Soc. ii. 25 Racialism was linked to wishful-thinking, and almost deliberate self-deception.

racism - a. The theory that distinctive human characteristics and abilities are determined by race. b. = RACIALISM.

1936 L. DENNIS Coming Amer. Fascism 109 If..it be assumed that one of our values should be a type of racism which excludes certain races from citizenship, then the plan of execution should provide for the annihilation, deportation, or sterilization of the excluded races. 1938 E. & C. PAUL tr. Hirschfeld's Racism xx. 260 The apostles and energumens of racism can in all good faith give free rein to impulses of which they would be ashamed did they realise their true nature. 1940 R. BENEDICT Race: Science & Politics i. 7 Racism is an ism to which everyone in the world today is exposed. 1952 M. BERGER Equality by Statute 236 Racism, tension in industrial, urban areas. 1952 Theology LV. 283 The idolatry of our timeits setting up of nationalism, racism, vulgar materialism. 1960 New Left Rev. Jan./Feb. 21/2 George Rogers saw fit to kow-tow to the incipient racism of his electorate by including a line about getting rid of ‘undesirable elements’. 1964 GOULD & KOLB Dict. Social Sci. 571/2 Racism is a newer term for the word racialism... There is virtual agreement that it refers to a doctrine of racial supremacy. 1971 Ceylon Daily News (Colombo) 18 Sept. 8/5 Mr. Seneviratne is welcome to his ideal of inter-racial marriages as panacea for Racism. 1972 J. L. DILLARD Black English iii. 90 In the British sailors' reactions to the slaves.., the very early existence of racism is as well documented as the difference in language. 1974 M. FIDO R. Kipling 50/2 In The Story of Muhammad Din he wrote one of the most economical and bitter attacks on British racism ever penned. 1976 Plain Dealer (Cleveland, Ohio) 4 Mar. A2/4 The Vatican radio said,..‘Racism might have different faces but it will always be reprehensible.’ 1977 M. WALKER National Front vi. 155 A strike of the Asian workers against racism in the factory.

Oxford English Dictionary


So racism has come to be synonymous with racialism. For instance if you think that black people are naturally better at Jazz or the 100metres, that is by definition, racism. However it would not necessarily be racialism, in fact quite possibly maybe the opposite.

As to the phenomena, by whichever word you use, it must surely hinge on power and powerlessness or at least perceptions of the same? Racism from a disenpowered group may be by and large ineffectual.
 
#18
jonwilly said:
Racisam my Arrse.
Every nation is racist.
I am a 'Frang' living in some elses cuntry.
I accept that I am not a local born and am the butt of many local in jokes.
I have many local friends and find that I am accepted for what I am.
I live in Mid East for 9 years, go cry racism there.
Someone mention on the board of late that its old Socilist policy to destroy the traditional values of the Western Capitalist states.
i remember long ago argueing that it was Old labour policy to first destroy the education system in UK, done well haven't they, now the Heath System and the Civil Service.
Yes racist all of yous only us good socialists left.
john
Confirm the orang puteh and Mid-East bits as exactly what I was getting at
 

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#19
Badger_Heed said:
AndyPipkin said:
Fortunately PC fascists like Sixty have yet to stifle free speech here on arrse.
Ignore him. He's bitter because he's a civilian. If he'd ever been on a two way range against "ethnics" his views may well change.

Could you let APC Glasgow know? They're labouring under the delusion that they pay me to be a soldier. Thanks.

Would be a surprise to my OC as well come to think of it.
 
#20
I have to say that I don't see what all the fuss is about.

I mean, it's not as if anyone was accused of being French.
 

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