Can army bursars change their minds?

#1
Hi all

I'm an army bursar and i'm down to go to RMAS in the september intake. My problem is, I'm not sure if its what i want etc etc. I'm not going to give a bloody essay on my reasons etc. What i want to know is is it possible to simply pay the money back and be done with the Army? I'm aware I'd probably get an angry letter but surely I still have the choice? I don't want everyone to start trying to convince me to do it, I'm fully aware of all the many benefits of RMAS and the Army but I'd just like to know if i can still change my mind.

Cheers
 
#2
You might get an angry letter, might you? Just stand by for the incoming on here.
 
#4
yes you can. and you'll probably get away with paying only a proportion of it back. A friend of mine decided the army wasn't for him and ended up paying only about £3k of £20k+ of cadetship back. so, you've had a nice cheap uni at taxpayer's expense!
 
#5
splodgecat said:
Hi all

I'm an army bursar and i'm down to go to RMAS in the september intake. My problem is, I'm not sure if its what i want etc etc. I'm not going to give a bloody essay on my reasons etc. What i want to know is is it possible to simply pay the money back and be done with the Army? I'm aware I'd probably get an angry letter but surely I still have the choice? I don't want everyone to start trying to convince me to do it, I'm fully aware of all the many benefits of RMAS and the Army but I'd just like to know if i can still change my mind.

Cheers
Your best approach is to speak to the Officer Candidate Administration Cell at RMAS. They will tell you what you have to do. It is far better to tell them now, and arrange a payback system than feel under some sort of obligation to turn up and waste people's time and effort in September.

I hope you find success in whatever it is you are going to do.
 
#6
I've got a mate , he decided he would rather drag telegraph poles round lympstone than sandhurst. I think he had to pay it all back.
 
#7
Rock up on the first day wearing a "not in my name" tee shirt, without anything on the kit list and on the first parade, light up a big fat spliff. Apparently they send you to some MotorCycle Training Centre or something for eight weeks and then you get out.

Do you have to pay it back if you fail?
 
#8
I know of a couple of bursars who just kept deferring entry to RMAS with a "Not this term, thanks", and kept their interest-free loan for a couple of years before paying it back. Massively irritates me, who was refused a bursary every year at university.
 
#9
Do Army bursars have minds to change?
 
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Biscuits_AB

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#10
You probably had doubts about it before you got the money and you've known it all along and yet still taken the money. The sad thing is someone else who genuinely wanted a commisssion in the Army has had to go without a grant, Edited by Mod.

Don't go to RMAS, you'll be doing the Army a favour.
 

cpunk

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#11
Gentlemen, this is a legitimate question which deserves a straight answer.

The answer is yes, you can decide not to take your place at RMAS in which case you will have to pay back some, or all, of the money that you have received. I would strongly advise you to talk the whole issue through - informally - with someone whose opinion you trust before you take this step, however. The Army obviously like the cut of your jib or they would not have given you a bursary, and you might be turning your back on a career which would have suited you. At the end of the day, it is your decision and you have to make your mind up about what you want to do with your life, and the Army really isn't for the faint-hearted.
 
#12
Thanks everyone for your replies.

Just in case I've pissed anyone off (say, perhaps, BISCUITS) I just want to point out that at no point have I said I'm not taking up my Sandhurst place. There was no need for the bollocking. Did you want a commission and get turned down, is that why ur so angry? Or do you need the money for anger management classes? None of my business so my reasons are none of yours either.

I simply wanted clarification of my situation and the opportunities open to me. Everyone else, thank you for your advice and I can assure you that when I come to the decision it will be after much careful thought and deliberation.
 
#13
Bloody lazy f**king Bursars...Ahhhh I hate them sooo much. CUOTC is supposed to be full of them but all they do is rowing (couple of exceptions who are top guys). They only come to Annual Camp coz they are forced and expect Cmd appointments, and they tell you how much fun they have had all year on the army's cash.

I am sorry must not kill, must not kill.. Ah thats better :)
 
#14
splodgecat said:
Thanks everyone for your replies.

Just in case I've pissed anyone off (say, perhaps, BISCUITS) I just want to point out that at no point have I said I'm not taking up my Sandhurst place. There was no need for the bollocking. Did you want a commission and get turned down, is that why ur so angry? Or do you need the money for anger management classes? None of my business so my reasons are none of yours either.

I simply wanted clarification of my situation and the opportunities open to me. Everyone else, thank you for your advice and I can assure you that when I come to the decision it will be after much careful thought and deliberation.
Splodgecat don't be too clever having a go at Biscuit when in fact you have done quite well for advice here. Out of 13 replies 10 have been positive, 1 inert and fukc knows what Steptoe's been smoking.

For my two pennies sort your life out and make a decision. Get used to making decisions and seeing them through. It is indecisiveness that gets up the nose of people like Biscuits (and me) so don't mong that they are going to ask for their money back. If you had paid up front and the client changed their mind would you not want it back? You don't need to seek advice on this. If you can't make a decision on this one then you will not make a decisive Officer, so there is your answer.

Have a happy life.

Cheers

Birdie
Your sensitive new age Infantryperson.
 
#15
I was in a similar situation, splodgecat. Approaching the end of my time at uni, I'd achieved a mediocre degree, become utterly disenchanted with the UOTC, enjoyed a year's bohemian living abroad as a part of my course and was wondering whether a life of discipline and physical exercise was actually for me.

I decided to stick with it and am very glad I did so. RMAS was more of a life-forming experience than uni could ever have been and the idea of now having to look back at the chance to do something truly challenging and not taking it... I know I would have always regretted it.

IF
 
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Biscuits_AB

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#16
splodgecat said:
Thanks everyone for your replies.

Just in case I've pissed anyone off (say, perhaps, BISCUITS) I just want to point out that at no point have I said I'm not taking up my Sandhurst place. There was no need for the bollocking. Did you want a commission and get turned down, is that why ur so angry? Or do you need the money for anger management classes? None of my business so my reasons are none of yours either.

I simply wanted clarification of my situation and the opportunities open to me. Everyone else, thank you for your advice and I can assure you that when I come to the decision it will be after much careful thought and deliberation.
Never wanted a commission, never will. Have a read of some of my posts if you feel the need for evidence to support this.

You child, should stop trying to be clever, because if you do decide to grace the Army with your presence your arrogance will be knocked out of you. Don't believe me? Join then and find out by gobbing off like you have done here.

The Army doesn't need officers who cannot make a decision. Nor does it need officers who think of their own needs first. You appear to have little ability to make a decision and by your 'didn't get a commission' and other 'cheeky chappy' remarks, you have merely confirmed my belief that you are a self centred little individual.

If you do join, leave the attitide behind or it will be adjusted for you. Personally, I hope you choose not to join.
 
#17
Don't be to hard on the young splodgecat, getting money off the army for when you are at university is great, but during your time at uni you go from a spotty 18yr old teenager to (potentially) a young adult with a whole lot of other views on life, love, mums home made pasties and if you still want to join the army or not. Lots of people with bursaries change their minds and don't join up in the end, the generally have to pay back varying amounts of their sponsorship depending on the circumstances that cause them to no longer wish to join.
Cadetship officers used to have the best deal as the army had to pay them a salary in order to get round university regulations on the max amount one organisation is allowed to sponsor someone, but this means the army could only claim back a small percentage of this if the individual opted not to turn up at RMAS. I know a guy who did this a few years ago, they sent the MP's round to change his mind, so he went to RMAS and the just refused to soldier :p
As for Biscuits strongly held views about sploodgecats arrogance and self centred views, weeeeeelllllll imho it is pretty hard to get an informed opinion about someone from two posts and more importantly young officers need to have a large amount of self confidence (that almost borders arrogance) in order that they don't end up been bullied by the kind of NCO's who think that everyone who comes out of RMAS is useless.
As for having the arrogance knocked out of you, I would like to think that we had grown up enough in this mans army that SNCO's now corrected young officers faults in a more diplomatic fashion behind closed doors, without the need for violence. Mind you I'd love to have one of my seniors try it :) and it would be a great NIG wind up.
 
#18
mini_rq said:
I've got a mate , he decided he would rather drag telegraph poles round lympstone than sandhurst. I think he had to pay it all back.
You sure? The fine print is that the Army Bursary is not an "Army" bursary. It's actually an MoD Bursary (something they don't tell you), so joining other services doesn't void the terms of services you've signed.
 
#19
Am pretty sure thats the way it panned out haven't had much in the way of comms with him cause he's just about to finish up down there.
 
#20
Biscuits_AB said:
splodgecat said:
Thanks everyone for your replies.


Never wanted a commission, never will. Have a read of some of my posts if you feel the need for evidence to support this.

You child, should stop trying to be clever, because if you do decide to grace the Army with your presence your arrogance will be knocked out of you. Don't believe me? Join then and find out by gobbing off like you have done here.

The Army doesn't need officers who cannot make a decision. Nor does it need officers who think of their own needs first. You appear to have little ability to make a decision and by your 'didn't get a commission' and other 'cheeky chappy' remarks, you have merely confirmed my belief that you are a self centred little individual.

If you do join, leave the attitide behind or it will be adjusted for you. Personally, I hope you choose not to join.

Biscuits, perhaps never could and never will is more appropriate and I don't need to read posts for evidence thanks.

What about all the young soldiers who having had the benefit of the weeks of quality basic training (costing more than an average bursary) the Army provided still decide it's not for them? Why should a young grad be any different. Typical attitude of a disenfranchised soldier who thinks all officers should be created in his / her likeness. If the facility is there to pay or make part payment then it would suggest that this is not the first time this has happened and the 'powers that be' have, in their infinite wisdom, recognised that young people change their minds. Grow up!
 

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