Can anyone assist in identifying my vehicle

#1
Members on the EMLRA forum have suggested I ask here for assistance. I recently purchased a Land Rover Series 2a from a friends father. After taking delivery I noticed a number of markings on the vehicle that I am guessing are ex military markings.


Drivers Door

Tailgate

Left Wing

Right Wing

I would desperately like to return the car to original & like to learn a bit about it's history. Any help would be appreciated........

Thanks
Karl
 
#2
I shall claim the easy one: left wing is 3rd Infantry Division (at least, it was in the Second World War). One red triangle on a big black triangle, or threee black triangles, depending on how you look at it.

Tailgate is a red over blue arm of service strip: Gunners - Royal Artillery. The 34 is a unit code, someone will know what that was.
 
#3
Can we have a before and after (restoration) piccy, please. Good luck.
 
#4
WaltOnTheMildSide said:
I shall claim the easy one: left wing is 3rd Infantry Division (at least, it was in the Second World War). One red triangle on a big black triangle, or threee black triangles, depending on how you look at it.

Tailgate is a red over blue arm of service strip: Gunners - Royal Artillery. The 34 is a unit code, someone will know what that was.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3rd_Infantry_Division_(United_Kingdom)
 
#5
Ferretting around I found this:
Clive Elliot's Postwar Painting Material

Had a quick look at one: in 1956 '34' was a Corps Field Park Squadron - this would have been on a blue square, though, for the Royal Engineers. Happy hunting!

Given that the quickest way to get the right answer on the web is to post the wrong one, I will stick my neck out and suggest that the answer is in the 1959 manual:
134 - Med Range SSGW Regt (Medium Range Surface-Surface Guided Weapon Regiment, Royal Artillery)
The red over blue square doesn't look square, so there may be room for a '1' - is there any white paint there?
 
#6
I'm restoring a 1967 2A at the mo for my son. PM me the chassis number, I'll send you some links to trace it's history.

Regards
 
#7
Wow........what an incredible response, thanks so much will post more pics of "Hercules" shortly. I will check if I can find a "1" on the artillery emblem and will post a history of the vehicle later on.

Regards to all

Karl
 
#9
That grill is the early and to my knowledge very rare type fitted to early FFR vehicles. I think it protected a rectifier or similar that was situated in front of the radiator and oil cooler.
 
#10
Bonnet catches that way round is fairly early for SII as well. It's not the very earliest going by the ventilator control but it is a fairly early one, pre 1960 I would think but I would have to check.

The left hand windscreen wiper motor predates the vehicle and should be taken off and sold for lots of money!
 
#13
I forgot to mention The Heritage Motor Centre at Gaydon.

They do a CD Rom with all the Land Rover technical publications on it, including the FFR Workshop manual. It's on special offer at the moment 10 quid, well worth it.

Not sure how much shipping to SA is.

http://www.heritage-motor-centre.co...er series ii a & ii b 1961 to 1971/index.html

For anyone else with an ex mil Landy, for 25 quid you can get it's history here.

Erika Spencer
RLC Museum
The Princess Royal Barracks
Deepcut
Camberley
Surrey
GU16 6RW

email: rlcmuseum@btconnect.com
 
#14
Thanks for the info, I did contact the RLC Museum and they advised that history on vehicles prior to 1965 was sketchy at best......
I'll be over for the LRO show in Northampton in 2 weeks so might try & get there !

Any ideas on these stencils inside bonnet ?



Off to watch Test match at Ellis Park................later

Rgds
Karl
 
#15
It was produced between Sept and Dec 1961.

Here's another address, not sure if it's current.

Traceability
LAND ROVER
Lode Land
Solihull
West Midlands
B29 8NW
 

the_boy_syrup

LE
Book Reviewer
#16
Landrover Series 2 A

Do you need my name and address to send the prize to?
 
#17
light_projector said:
OEP 220 was/is a type of MoD issue oil and went into gearboxes and differentials- as oppose to OMD 110 which went in the engine.
Correct, oil extreme pressure amd oil mineral detergant.................why the fook i still kmow that is beyond me.
 
#18
WaltOnTheMildSide said:
Ferretting around I found this:
Clive Elliot's Postwar Painting Material

Had a quick look at one: in 1956 '34' was a Corps Field Park Squadron - this would have been on a blue square, though, for the Royal Engineers. Happy hunting!

Given that the quickest way to get the right answer on the web is to post the wrong one, I will stick my neck out and suggest that the answer is in the 1959 manual:
134 - Med Range SSGW Regt (Medium Range Surface-Surface Guided Weapon Regiment, Royal Artillery)
The red over blue square doesn't look square, so there may be room for a '1' - is there any white paint there?
The 34 on a "Arty" background could be the Battery not the Regiment. The gunners tend to regard their Regiments as mere groupings of Batterys ( :) )so often the markings are for the Batteries.

If so the vehicle could have belonged to 34 Seringapatam Bty.

This bty has been part of 24 Missile, 45 medium and then 39 heavy in the time of these vehicles being used.

Chances are at this point 3 Div (when it was in Germany (BAOR)) would have had one of these units in its ORBAT.

some possible useful links.

http://24thmissile.tripod.com/id17.html

http://baor-locations.com/24regtra.aspx

http://39missile.tripod.com/

You may find that the wiered cypher on the door, is the Regimental insignia.

There was also a 34 Light AD Regt RA that shut down in 1969 in Dortmund.

http://napierbarracksdortmund.blogspot.com/2006/12/34-light-air-defence-regiment-ra.html

Even though the veh is RHD it doesn't mean it was in UK or Germany.
 
#19
The number on the red over blue background is definitely the unit identification, not a battery number. If it is 134, as suggested, then this reduces the field to three regiments: 24; 39 and 50. At the time, I think 39 was the 3 Div missile regiment. The door insignia will be a battery insignia and may be 36 Arcot Battery, who from memory had an insignia based on the Madras Artillery cipher. Marking on right wing is likely to be a bridge classification plate
 
#20
chocolate_frog said:
The 34 on a "Arty" background could be the Battery not the Regiment.
The unit serial number related to the units role/place in a formation, not the unit itself. That's what is worrying me - 34 (on blue) and 134 would have been Corps Troops, not Divisional troops, so the 3 Div sign wouldn't be appropriate. Are we looking at unrelated signs from different 'lives' of the vehicle?

I can tell a Land Rover from a jeep, but not its vintage. However, the 1975 manual linked above states "Arm or Service identifying colours. These are not to be used." So we are pre-1975.

The answer might be in the 1959 & 1962 manuals: 34 is listed under 'Vehicle Unit Signs for Divisional HQ and Troops' as 'Spare' for unit and arm/service. The dates tally with 3 Div adopting an airportable role, so they may have had a need for a 'special' unit to use a 'spare' number; it's anybody's guess what that was, though.
 
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