Campus Leftists Dont Believe in Free Speech

#1
Couldn't happen here could it? ... so far our Glorious Leaders have only arrested a 'dissident' opposition politician (and a Jewish survivor of the Nazi concentration camps for having the gall to shout "shame" during a NuLab party political indoctrination session (sorry, that should have read 'conference' :roll: ) ... how long will it be until burning of dissident literature in schools and universities?

Awaiting a spirited defence of NuLab 'democracy' from Ashie :roll:
HERE
The Wall Street Journal said:
APRIL 18, 2009
Campus Leftists Don't Believe in Free Speech
Conservative speakers now have bodyguards when they visit universities.

By DAVID HOROWITZ

I arrived in Austin, Texas, one evening recently to give a speech about academic freedom at the university there. Entering the hall where I was to give my speech, I was greeted -- if that's the word -- by a raucous protest organized by a professor and self-styled Bolshevik, Dana Cloud. Forty protesters hoisted placards high in the air and robotically chanted "Down With Horowitz," "Racist Go Home," and "No More Witch-hunts."

Fortunately, a spokesperson for the administration was present to threaten the disrupters with arrest if they continued on this course. (The threat was administered very carefully, with three formal warnings before any action could be taken.) This quieted the crowd enough that I could begin my talk, which proceeded without further serious incident.

Even so, there were occasional heckles and demonstrative cheers from the group when I mentioned the name of Sami Al-Arian ( whose organization, Palestine Islamic Jihad, is responsible for the deaths of more than 100 innocent victims in the Middle East), Black Panther Huey Newton (convicted of killing an Oakland police officer in 1967, although he was eventually released on a technicality), or when I uttered the word "communist" -- even though I did so to remind the audience that communists killed 120 million people in the last century trying to implement Marx's ideas.

Among the organizations participating in these outbursts were the International Socialist Organization, whose goal is the establishment of a "dictatorship of the proletariat" in the United States; Iranians for Peace and Justice, supporters of Hezbollah and Hamas; and Campus Progress, the unofficial college arm of the Democratic Party.

One of the local members of Campus Progress had written a column in the campus newspaper attacking me in advance of my talk, and defending Sami Al-Arian as a victim of political persecution. The conservative students who invited me to the University of Texas told me that organizations such as the Muslim Students Association routinely join with College Democrats in protests against the state of Israel.

At the end of the evening, Prof. Cloud stepped up to the microphone to ask a question, which was actually a little speech. Even though the protocol for such occasions restricts audience participants from making their own speeches, I did her the courtesy she tried to deny me by letting her talk.

She presented herself as a devoted teacher and mother who was obviously harmless. Then she accused me of being a McCarthyite menace. Disregarding the facts I had laid out in my talk -- that I have publicly defended the right of University of Colorado's radical professor Ward Churchill to hold reprehensible views and not be fired for them, and that I supported the leftist dean of the law school at UC Irvine when his appointment was withdrawn for political reasons -- she accused me of whipping up a "witch-hunting hysteria" that made her and her faculty comrades feel threatened.

When Ms. Cloud finished, I pointed out that organizing mobs to scream epithets at invited speakers fit the category of "McCarthyite" a lot more snugly than my support for a pluralism of views in university classrooms. I gestured toward the armed officers in the room -- the university had assigned six or seven to keep the peace -- and introduced my own bodyguard, who regularly accompanies other conservative speakers when they visit universities. In the past, I felt uncomfortable about taking protection to a college campus until a series of physical attacks at universities persuaded me that such precautions were necessary. (When I spoke at the University of Texas two years ago, Ms. Cloud and her disciples had to be removed by the police in order for the talk to proceed.)

I don't know of a single leftist speaker among the thousands who visit campuses every term who has been obstructed or attacked by conservative students, who are too decent and too tolerant to do that. The entire evening in Texas reminded me of the late Orianna Fallaci's observation that what we are facing in the post-9/11 world is not a "clash of civilizations," but a clash of civilization versus barbarism.

Mr. Horowitz is the author, most recently, of "One-Party Classroom: How Radical Professors at America's Top Colleges Are Indoctrinating Students and Undermining Our Democracy" (Crown Forum, 2009).
 
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rockape34 said:
Couldn't happen here could it? ... so far our Glorious Leaders have only arrested a 'dissident' opposition politician (and a Jewish survivor of the Nazi concentration camps for having the gall to shout "shame" during a NuLab party political indoctrination session (sorry, that should have read 'conference' :roll: ) ... how long will it be until burning of dissident literature in schools and universities?

Awaiting a spirited defence of NuLab 'democracy' from Ashie :roll:
HERE
The Wall Street Journal said:
APRIL 18, 2009
Campus Leftists Don't Believe in Free Speech
Conservative speakers now have bodyguards when they visit universities.

By DAVID HOROWITZ

I arrived in Austin, Texas, one evening recently to give a speech about academic freedom at the university there. Entering the hall where I was to give my speech, I was greeted -- if that's the word -- by a raucous protest organized by a professor and self-styled Bolshevik, Dana Cloud. Forty protesters hoisted placards high in the air and robotically chanted "Down With Horowitz," "Racist Go Home," and "No More Witch-hunts."

Fortunately, a spokesperson for the administration was present to threaten the disrupters with arrest if they continued on this course. (The threat was administered very carefully, with three formal warnings before any action could be taken.) This quieted the crowd enough that I could begin my talk, which proceeded without further serious incident.

Even so, there were occasional heckles and demonstrative cheers from the group when I mentioned the name of Sami Al-Arian ( whose organization, Palestine Islamic Jihad, is responsible for the deaths of more than 100 innocent victims in the Middle East), Black Panther Huey Newton (convicted of killing an Oakland police officer in 1967, although he was eventually released on a technicality), or when I uttered the word "communist" -- even though I did so to remind the audience that communists killed 120 million people in the last century trying to implement Marx's ideas.

Among the organizations participating in these outbursts were the International Socialist Organization, whose goal is the establishment of a "dictatorship of the proletariat" in the United States; Iranians for Peace and Justice, supporters of Hezbollah and Hamas; and Campus Progress, the unofficial college arm of the Democratic Party.

One of the local members of Campus Progress had written a column in the campus newspaper attacking me in advance of my talk, and defending Sami Al-Arian as a victim of political persecution. The conservative students who invited me to the University of Texas told me that organizations such as the Muslim Students Association routinely join with College Democrats in protests against the state of Israel.

At the end of the evening, Prof. Cloud stepped up to the microphone to ask a question, which was actually a little speech. Even though the protocol for such occasions restricts audience participants from making their own speeches, I did her the courtesy she tried to deny me by letting her talk.

She presented herself as a devoted teacher and mother who was obviously harmless. Then she accused me of being a McCarthyite menace. Disregarding the facts I had laid out in my talk -- that I have publicly defended the right of University of Colorado's radical professor Ward Churchill to hold reprehensible views and not be fired for them, and that I supported the leftist dean of the law school at UC Irvine when his appointment was withdrawn for political reasons -- she accused me of whipping up a "witch-hunting hysteria" that made her and her faculty comrades feel threatened.

When Ms. Cloud finished, I pointed out that organizing mobs to scream epithets at invited speakers fit the category of "McCarthyite" a lot more snugly than my support for a pluralism of views in university classrooms. I gestured toward the armed officers in the room -- the university had assigned six or seven to keep the peace -- and introduced my own bodyguard, who regularly accompanies other conservative speakers when they visit universities. In the past, I felt uncomfortable about taking protection to a college campus until a series of physical attacks at universities persuaded me that such precautions were necessary. (When I spoke at the University of Texas two years ago, Ms. Cloud and her disciples had to be removed by the police in order for the talk to proceed.)

I don't know of a single leftist speaker among the thousands who visit campuses every term who has been obstructed or attacked by conservative students, who are too decent and too tolerant to do that. The entire evening in Texas reminded me of the late Orianna Fallaci's observation that what we are facing in the post-9/11 world is not a "clash of civilizations," but a clash of civilization versus barbarism.

Mr. Horowitz is the author, most recently, of "One-Party Classroom: How Radical Professors at America's Top Colleges Are Indoctrinating Students and Undermining Our Democracy" (Crown Forum, 2009).
David Horowitz the neo-Con? The one whose latest idea is to organise Students for Academic Freedom which is trying to make college campuses more conservative?

I think we have enough propaganda on ARRSE without importing it from the US.
 

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#3
ashie - 'I think we have enough propaganda on ARRSE without importing it from the US.'

you're absolutely right - but thankfully no one takes you seriously.
 
#4
ashie said:
rockape34 said:
Couldn't happen here could it? ... so far our Glorious Leaders have only arrested a 'dissident' opposition politician (and a Jewish survivor of the Nazi concentration camps for having the gall to shout "shame" during a NuLab party political indoctrination session (sorry, that should have read 'conference' :roll: ) ... how long will it be until burning of dissident literature in schools and universities?

Awaiting a spirited defence of NuLab 'democracy' from Ashie :roll:
HERE
The Wall Street Journal said:
APRIL 18, 2009
Campus Leftists Don't Believe in Free Speech
Conservative speakers now have bodyguards when they visit universities.

By DAVID HOROWITZ

I arrived in Austin, Texas, one evening recently to give a speech about academic freedom at the university there. Entering the hall where I was to give my speech, I was greeted -- if that's the word -- by a raucous protest organized by a professor and self-styled Bolshevik, Dana Cloud. Forty protesters hoisted placards high in the air and robotically chanted "Down With Horowitz," "Racist Go Home," and "No More Witch-hunts."

Fortunately, a spokesperson for the administration was present to threaten the disrupters with arrest if they continued on this course. (The threat was administered very carefully, with three formal warnings before any action could be taken.) This quieted the crowd enough that I could begin my talk, which proceeded without further serious incident.

Even so, there were occasional heckles and demonstrative cheers from the group when I mentioned the name of Sami Al-Arian ( whose organization, Palestine Islamic Jihad, is responsible for the deaths of more than 100 innocent victims in the Middle East), Black Panther Huey Newton (convicted of killing an Oakland police officer in 1967, although he was eventually released on a technicality), or when I uttered the word "communist" -- even though I did so to remind the audience that communists killed 120 million people in the last century trying to implement Marx's ideas.

Among the organizations participating in these outbursts were the International Socialist Organization, whose goal is the establishment of a "dictatorship of the proletariat" in the United States; Iranians for Peace and Justice, supporters of Hezbollah and Hamas; and Campus Progress, the unofficial college arm of the Democratic Party.

One of the local members of Campus Progress had written a column in the campus newspaper attacking me in advance of my talk, and defending Sami Al-Arian as a victim of political persecution. The conservative students who invited me to the University of Texas told me that organizations such as the Muslim Students Association routinely join with College Democrats in protests against the state of Israel.

At the end of the evening, Prof. Cloud stepped up to the microphone to ask a question, which was actually a little speech. Even though the protocol for such occasions restricts audience participants from making their own speeches, I did her the courtesy she tried to deny me by letting her talk.

She presented herself as a devoted teacher and mother who was obviously harmless. Then she accused me of being a McCarthyite menace. Disregarding the facts I had laid out in my talk -- that I have publicly defended the right of University of Colorado's radical professor Ward Churchill to hold reprehensible views and not be fired for them, and that I supported the leftist dean of the law school at UC Irvine when his appointment was withdrawn for political reasons -- she accused me of whipping up a "witch-hunting hysteria" that made her and her faculty comrades feel threatened.

When Ms. Cloud finished, I pointed out that organizing mobs to scream epithets at invited speakers fit the category of "McCarthyite" a lot more snugly than my support for a pluralism of views in university classrooms. I gestured toward the armed officers in the room -- the university had assigned six or seven to keep the peace -- and introduced my own bodyguard, who regularly accompanies other conservative speakers when they visit universities. In the past, I felt uncomfortable about taking protection to a college campus until a series of physical attacks at universities persuaded me that such precautions were necessary. (When I spoke at the University of Texas two years ago, Ms. Cloud and her disciples had to be removed by the police in order for the talk to proceed.)

I don't know of a single leftist speaker among the thousands who visit campuses every term who has been obstructed or attacked by conservative students, who are too decent and too tolerant to do that. The entire evening in Texas reminded me of the late Orianna Fallaci's observation that what we are facing in the post-9/11 world is not a "clash of civilizations," but a clash of civilization versus barbarism.

Mr. Horowitz is the author, most recently, of "One-Party Classroom: How Radical Professors at America's Top Colleges Are Indoctrinating Students and Undermining Our Democracy" (Crown Forum, 2009).
David Horowitz the neo-Con? The one whose latest idea is to organise Students for Academic Freedom which is trying to make college campuses more conservative?

I think we have enough propaganda on ARRSE without importing it from the US.
You disagree with hims o it must be propaganda? Not particularly sound argument there ashie.

I actually agree completely with Horowitz, even though some of his politics is a bit far right. Given that I have seen something very similar many times at Cambridge (and reported at Oxford), what do you think about that ashie?
 
#5
jew_unit said:
ashie said:
rockape34 said:
Couldn't happen here could it? ... so far our Glorious Leaders have only arrested a 'dissident' opposition politician (and a Jewish survivor of the Nazi concentration camps for having the gall to shout "shame" during a NuLab party political indoctrination session (sorry, that should have read 'conference' :roll: ) ... how long will it be until burning of dissident literature in schools and universities?

Awaiting a spirited defence of NuLab 'democracy' from Ashie :roll:
HERE
The Wall Street Journal said:
APRIL 18, 2009
Campus Leftists Don't Believe in Free Speech
Conservative speakers now have bodyguards when they visit universities.

By DAVID HOROWITZ

I arrived in Austin, Texas, one evening recently to give a speech about academic freedom at the university there. Entering the hall where I was to give my speech, I was greeted -- if that's the word -- by a raucous protest organized by a professor and self-styled Bolshevik, Dana Cloud. Forty protesters hoisted placards high in the air and robotically chanted "Down With Horowitz," "Racist Go Home," and "No More Witch-hunts."

Fortunately, a spokesperson for the administration was present to threaten the disrupters with arrest if they continued on this course. (The threat was administered very carefully, with three formal warnings before any action could be taken.) This quieted the crowd enough that I could begin my talk, which proceeded without further serious incident.

Even so, there were occasional heckles and demonstrative cheers from the group when I mentioned the name of Sami Al-Arian ( whose organization, Palestine Islamic Jihad, is responsible for the deaths of more than 100 innocent victims in the Middle East), Black Panther Huey Newton (convicted of killing an Oakland police officer in 1967, although he was eventually released on a technicality), or when I uttered the word "communist" -- even though I did so to remind the audience that communists killed 120 million people in the last century trying to implement Marx's ideas.

Among the organizations participating in these outbursts were the International Socialist Organization, whose goal is the establishment of a "dictatorship of the proletariat" in the United States; Iranians for Peace and Justice, supporters of Hezbollah and Hamas; and Campus Progress, the unofficial college arm of the Democratic Party.

One of the local members of Campus Progress had written a column in the campus newspaper attacking me in advance of my talk, and defending Sami Al-Arian as a victim of political persecution. The conservative students who invited me to the University of Texas told me that organizations such as the Muslim Students Association routinely join with College Democrats in protests against the state of Israel.

At the end of the evening, Prof. Cloud stepped up to the microphone to ask a question, which was actually a little speech. Even though the protocol for such occasions restricts audience participants from making their own speeches, I did her the courtesy she tried to deny me by letting her talk.

She presented herself as a devoted teacher and mother who was obviously harmless. Then she accused me of being a McCarthyite menace. Disregarding the facts I had laid out in my talk -- that I have publicly defended the right of University of Colorado's radical professor Ward Churchill to hold reprehensible views and not be fired for them, and that I supported the leftist dean of the law school at UC Irvine when his appointment was withdrawn for political reasons -- she accused me of whipping up a "witch-hunting hysteria" that made her and her faculty comrades feel threatened.

When Ms. Cloud finished, I pointed out that organizing mobs to scream epithets at invited speakers fit the category of "McCarthyite" a lot more snugly than my support for a pluralism of views in university classrooms. I gestured toward the armed officers in the room -- the university had assigned six or seven to keep the peace -- and introduced my own bodyguard, who regularly accompanies other conservative speakers when they visit universities. In the past, I felt uncomfortable about taking protection to a college campus until a series of physical attacks at universities persuaded me that such precautions were necessary. (When I spoke at the University of Texas two years ago, Ms. Cloud and her disciples had to be removed by the police in order for the talk to proceed.)

I don't know of a single leftist speaker among the thousands who visit campuses every term who has been obstructed or attacked by conservative students, who are too decent and too tolerant to do that. The entire evening in Texas reminded me of the late Orianna Fallaci's observation that what we are facing in the post-9/11 world is not a "clash of civilizations," but a clash of civilization versus barbarism.

Mr. Horowitz is the author, most recently, of "One-Party Classroom: How Radical Professors at America's Top Colleges Are Indoctrinating Students and Undermining Our Democracy" (Crown Forum, 2009).
David Horowitz the neo-Con? The one whose latest idea is to organise Students for Academic Freedom which is trying to make college campuses more conservative?

I think we have enough propaganda on ARRSE without importing it from the US.
You disagree with hims o it must be propaganda? Not particularly sound argument there ashie.

I actually agree completely with Horowitz, even though some of his politics is a bit far right. Given that I have seen something very similar many times at Cambridge (and reported at Oxford), what do you think about that ashie?
Horowitz starts from the basic premise that universities need to become more conservative. In other words, he does not believe that universities should be able to teach what they wish to teach, only what he and his neo-con chums allow them to teach.

He wishes for less freedom of speech, not more.
 
#6
Nobody think it the slightest bit ironic that he threatened people expressing their views with arrest in the name of 'freedom of speech'?

Whose freedom was he protecting?
 
#7
ashie said:
jew_unit said:
ashie said:
rockape34 said:
Couldn't happen here could it? ... so far our Glorious Leaders have only arrested a 'dissident' opposition politician (and a Jewish survivor of the Nazi concentration camps for having the gall to shout "shame" during a NuLab party political indoctrination session (sorry, that should have read 'conference' :roll: ) ... how long will it be until burning of dissident literature in schools and universities?

Awaiting a spirited defence of NuLab 'democracy' from Ashie :roll:
HERE
The Wall Street Journal said:
APRIL 18, 2009
Campus Leftists Don't Believe in Free Speech
Conservative speakers now have bodyguards when they visit universities.

By DAVID HOROWITZ

I arrived in Austin, Texas, one evening recently to give a speech about academic freedom at the university there. Entering the hall where I was to give my speech, I was greeted -- if that's the word -- by a raucous protest organized by a professor and self-styled Bolshevik, Dana Cloud. Forty protesters hoisted placards high in the air and robotically chanted "Down With Horowitz," "Racist Go Home," and "No More Witch-hunts."

Fortunately, a spokesperson for the administration was present to threaten the disrupters with arrest if they continued on this course. (The threat was administered very carefully, with three formal warnings before any action could be taken.) This quieted the crowd enough that I could begin my talk, which proceeded without further serious incident.

Even so, there were occasional heckles and demonstrative cheers from the group when I mentioned the name of Sami Al-Arian ( whose organization, Palestine Islamic Jihad, is responsible for the deaths of more than 100 innocent victims in the Middle East), Black Panther Huey Newton (convicted of killing an Oakland police officer in 1967, although he was eventually released on a technicality), or when I uttered the word "communist" -- even though I did so to remind the audience that communists killed 120 million people in the last century trying to implement Marx's ideas.

Among the organizations participating in these outbursts were the International Socialist Organization, whose goal is the establishment of a "dictatorship of the proletariat" in the United States; Iranians for Peace and Justice, supporters of Hezbollah and Hamas; and Campus Progress, the unofficial college arm of the Democratic Party.

One of the local members of Campus Progress had written a column in the campus newspaper attacking me in advance of my talk, and defending Sami Al-Arian as a victim of political persecution. The conservative students who invited me to the University of Texas told me that organizations such as the Muslim Students Association routinely join with College Democrats in protests against the state of Israel.

At the end of the evening, Prof. Cloud stepped up to the microphone to ask a question, which was actually a little speech. Even though the protocol for such occasions restricts audience participants from making their own speeches, I did her the courtesy she tried to deny me by letting her talk.

She presented herself as a devoted teacher and mother who was obviously harmless. Then she accused me of being a McCarthyite menace. Disregarding the facts I had laid out in my talk -- that I have publicly defended the right of University of Colorado's radical professor Ward Churchill to hold reprehensible views and not be fired for them, and that I supported the leftist dean of the law school at UC Irvine when his appointment was withdrawn for political reasons -- she accused me of whipping up a "witch-hunting hysteria" that made her and her faculty comrades feel threatened.

When Ms. Cloud finished, I pointed out that organizing mobs to scream epithets at invited speakers fit the category of "McCarthyite" a lot more snugly than my support for a pluralism of views in university classrooms. I gestured toward the armed officers in the room -- the university had assigned six or seven to keep the peace -- and introduced my own bodyguard, who regularly accompanies other conservative speakers when they visit universities. In the past, I felt uncomfortable about taking protection to a college campus until a series of physical attacks at universities persuaded me that such precautions were necessary. (When I spoke at the University of Texas two years ago, Ms. Cloud and her disciples had to be removed by the police in order for the talk to proceed.)

I don't know of a single leftist speaker among the thousands who visit campuses every term who has been obstructed or attacked by conservative students, who are too decent and too tolerant to do that. The entire evening in Texas reminded me of the late Orianna Fallaci's observation that what we are facing in the post-9/11 world is not a "clash of civilizations," but a clash of civilization versus barbarism.

Mr. Horowitz is the author, most recently, of "One-Party Classroom: How Radical Professors at America's Top Colleges Are Indoctrinating Students and Undermining Our Democracy" (Crown Forum, 2009).
David Horowitz the neo-Con? The one whose latest idea is to organise Students for Academic Freedom which is trying to make college campuses more conservative?

I think we have enough propaganda on ARRSE without importing it from the US.
You disagree with hims o it must be propaganda? Not particularly sound argument there ashie.

I actually agree completely with Horowitz, even though some of his politics is a bit far right. Given that I have seen something very similar many times at Cambridge (and reported at Oxford), what do you think about that ashie?
Horowitz starts from the basic premise that universities need to become more conservative. In other words, he does not believe that universities should be able to teach what they wish to teach, only what he and his neo-con chums allow them to teach.

He wishes for less freedom of speech, not more.
Ok. For the sake of argument I'll accept that he want universities to be less leftist.

Now, waht do you think about the excessive protests which plainly do hamper freedom of speech?


As for smartascarrots, freedom of speech is fine until it hampers someone elses. When it stops someone talking, then action must be taken otehrwise we can stop anything in the name of "freedom of speech".
 
#8
jew_unit said:
ashie said:
jew_unit said:
ashie said:
rockape34 said:
Couldn't happen here could it? ... so far our Glorious Leaders have only arrested a 'dissident' opposition politician (and a Jewish survivor of the Nazi concentration camps for having the gall to shout "shame" during a NuLab party political indoctrination session (sorry, that should have read 'conference' :roll: ) ... how long will it be until burning of dissident literature in schools and universities?

Awaiting a spirited defence of NuLab 'democracy' from Ashie :roll:
HERE
The Wall Street Journal said:
APRIL 18, 2009
Campus Leftists Don't Believe in Free Speech
Conservative speakers now have bodyguards when they visit universities.

By DAVID HOROWITZ

I arrived in Austin, Texas, one evening recently to give a speech about academic freedom at the university there. Entering the hall where I was to give my speech, I was greeted -- if that's the word -- by a raucous protest organized by a professor and self-styled Bolshevik, Dana Cloud. Forty protesters hoisted placards high in the air and robotically chanted "Down With Horowitz," "Racist Go Home," and "No More Witch-hunts."

Fortunately, a spokesperson for the administration was present to threaten the disrupters with arrest if they continued on this course. (The threat was administered very carefully, with three formal warnings before any action could be taken.) This quieted the crowd enough that I could begin my talk, which proceeded without further serious incident.

Even so, there were occasional heckles and demonstrative cheers from the group when I mentioned the name of Sami Al-Arian ( whose organization, Palestine Islamic Jihad, is responsible for the deaths of more than 100 innocent victims in the Middle East), Black Panther Huey Newton (convicted of killing an Oakland police officer in 1967, although he was eventually released on a technicality), or when I uttered the word "communist" -- even though I did so to remind the audience that communists killed 120 million people in the last century trying to implement Marx's ideas.

Among the organizations participating in these outbursts were the International Socialist Organization, whose goal is the establishment of a "dictatorship of the proletariat" in the United States; Iranians for Peace and Justice, supporters of Hezbollah and Hamas; and Campus Progress, the unofficial college arm of the Democratic Party.

One of the local members of Campus Progress had written a column in the campus newspaper attacking me in advance of my talk, and defending Sami Al-Arian as a victim of political persecution. The conservative students who invited me to the University of Texas told me that organizations such as the Muslim Students Association routinely join with College Democrats in protests against the state of Israel.

At the end of the evening, Prof. Cloud stepped up to the microphone to ask a question, which was actually a little speech. Even though the protocol for such occasions restricts audience participants from making their own speeches, I did her the courtesy she tried to deny me by letting her talk.

She presented herself as a devoted teacher and mother who was obviously harmless. Then she accused me of being a McCarthyite menace. Disregarding the facts I had laid out in my talk -- that I have publicly defended the right of University of Colorado's radical professor Ward Churchill to hold reprehensible views and not be fired for them, and that I supported the leftist dean of the law school at UC Irvine when his appointment was withdrawn for political reasons -- she accused me of whipping up a "witch-hunting hysteria" that made her and her faculty comrades feel threatened.

When Ms. Cloud finished, I pointed out that organizing mobs to scream epithets at invited speakers fit the category of "McCarthyite" a lot more snugly than my support for a pluralism of views in university classrooms. I gestured toward the armed officers in the room -- the university had assigned six or seven to keep the peace -- and introduced my own bodyguard, who regularly accompanies other conservative speakers when they visit universities. In the past, I felt uncomfortable about taking protection to a college campus until a series of physical attacks at universities persuaded me that such precautions were necessary. (When I spoke at the University of Texas two years ago, Ms. Cloud and her disciples had to be removed by the police in order for the talk to proceed.)

I don't know of a single leftist speaker among the thousands who visit campuses every term who has been obstructed or attacked by conservative students, who are too decent and too tolerant to do that. The entire evening in Texas reminded me of the late Orianna Fallaci's observation that what we are facing in the post-9/11 world is not a "clash of civilizations," but a clash of civilization versus barbarism.

Mr. Horowitz is the author, most recently, of "One-Party Classroom: How Radical Professors at America's Top Colleges Are Indoctrinating Students and Undermining Our Democracy" (Crown Forum, 2009).
David Horowitz the neo-Con? The one whose latest idea is to organise Students for Academic Freedom which is trying to make college campuses more conservative?

I think we have enough propaganda on ARRSE without importing it from the US.
You disagree with hims o it must be propaganda? Not particularly sound argument there ashie.

I actually agree completely with Horowitz, even though some of his politics is a bit far right. Given that I have seen something very similar many times at Cambridge (and reported at Oxford), what do you think about that ashie?
Horowitz starts from the basic premise that universities need to become more conservative. In other words, he does not believe that universities should be able to teach what they wish to teach, only what he and his neo-con chums allow them to teach.

He wishes for less freedom of speech, not more.
Ok. For the sake of argument I'll accept that he want universities to be less leftist.

Now, waht do you think about the excessive protests which plainly do hamper freedom of speech?


As for smartascarrots, freedom of speech is fine until it hampers someone elses. When it stops someone talking, then action must be taken otehrwise we can stop anything in the name of "freedom of speech".
Exactly my point and that is why we should oppose the likes of Horowitz.

BTW, don't believe anything he writes. He is a proven liar and propagandist.
 
#10
smartascarrots said:
Nobody think it the slightest bit ironic that he threatened people expressing their views with arrest in the name of 'freedom of speech'?

Whose freedom was he protecting?
Also remember it was the university who went to the trouble of providing the protection.

Horowitz is hated because he published a book naming 100 'dangerous' academics in the US that was based largely on fabricated or second-hand evidence. Those 100 people have had their careers ruined because they are now effectivly on a document that every time they go up for a job will pull out by the collage board who will decide that it isn't worth rocking the boat (lot of very rich Republican collage donors) by hiring them. If he's have done it this country he be so tied up in liable suits his grandchildren would need lawyers.
 
#11
Wot - no libel legislation in the USA? There was I thinking it was one of the most letigious societies in the world and we were slipping down the same slippery road.
 
Z

Zarathustra

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#12
smartascarrots said:
Nobody think it the slightest bit ironic that he threatened people expressing their views with arrest in the name of 'freedom of speech'?

Whose freedom was he protecting?
Fortunately, a spokesperson for the administration was present to threaten the disrupters with arrest if they continued on this course. (The threat was administered very carefully, with three formal warnings before any action could be taken.) This quieted the crowd enough that I could begin my talk, which proceeded without further serious incident.
No he didn't a member of the university administration made the threat to arrest people.
 
#13
jew_unit said:
Care to provide proof, or to look at the evidence I've seen?
Sure. His whole propaganda campaign is based on a lie about a student being failed for refusing to address the question "Why President Bush is a War Criminal". He used this to demonstrate how "liberals" were taking over colleges. However, he completely distorted the question, refused to acknowledge the college's clarification and, when the truth of his lying came out, responded with something to the effect of "some of our facts may have been wrong, but our point was right".
 
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Herrumph said:
Wot - no libel legislation in the USA? There was I thinking it was one of the most letigious societies in the world and we were slipping down the same slippery road.
Nothing like as strong as ours - in the UK the law states the onus is on the person doing the libeling to prove what they were saying is true, in most countries the onus is on the person who is claiming to be being libeled to prove they alligations are false. The latter isn't easy. It's no coincidence that Guido doesn't live or keep his money in the UK, and his blog server is foreign.
 
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ashie said:
jew_unit said:
Care to provide proof, or to look at the evidence I've seen?
Sure. His whole propaganda campaign is based on a lie about a student being failed for refusing to address the question "Why President Bush is a War Criminal". He used this to demonstrate how "liberals" were taking over colleges. However, he completely distorted the question, refused to acknowledge the college's clarification and, when the truth of his lying came out, responded with something to the effect of "some of our facts may have been wrong, but our point was right".
So you don't like Horowitz. Fine. Now, what do you think about the protests by the left wing factions in universities which emphatically do restrict freedom of speech? Your opinin of Horowitz is irrelevant here as I also believe that the left us quick to adopt tactics to which the right will not sink.
 
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jew_unit said:
ashie said:
jew_unit said:
Care to provide proof, or to look at the evidence I've seen?
Sure. His whole propaganda campaign is based on a lie about a student being failed for refusing to address the question "Why President Bush is a War Criminal". He used this to demonstrate how "liberals" were taking over colleges. However, he completely distorted the question, refused to acknowledge the college's clarification and, when the truth of his lying came out, responded with something to the effect of "some of our facts may have been wrong, but our point was right".
So you don't like Horowitz. Fine. Now, what do you think about the protests by the left wing factions in universities which emphatically do restrict freedom of speech? Your opinin of Horowitz is irrelevant here as I also believe that the left us quick to adopt tactics to which the right will not sink.
No, he didn't shout at a meeting. He just published a book trashing 100 people. Class act :roll:
 
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"In 2004 (David) Horowitz launched Discover the Networks, a conservative watchdog project that monitors funding for, and various ties among, individuals and organizations supportive of leftist causes. Part of the motivation for Discover the Networks is Horowitz's view that leftist individuals and groups provide support, intentionally or not, for Islamic terrorism, and thus require ongoing scrutiny. This theme is explored in Horowitz's 2004 book, Unholy Alliance: Radical Islam and the American Left."

"Heterodoxy was a newsmagazine published in a tabloid format by the center, edited by David Horowitz and Peter Collier. Its focus was on exposing the excesses of political correctness on college and university campuses across the United States."

Interesting stuff, though activism shouldn't be encouraged and I have some problems with propaganda/ists. I also have issues with the PC world, which in itself it occurs to me, is often little more than blanket gagging.

As long as we have free speech we have a certain amount of freedom for tolerance and debate. But the results of hate, hegemony and radicalism can never be acceptable if we want a safe and humanitarian world, surely?
 
#18
The democrats were saying, while Bush was in office, that dissent was patriotic. They claimed that calling Bush outrageous names and disrupting commitee meetings dressed in pink pajamas was the epitome of patriotic display.

Now when republicans (or any one that doesn't like Obama policies) dissents against Obama it is no longer patriotic. Dissentors are to be shouted down, attacked or otherwise hindered in freely expressing their dissenting position....I smell just a slight wiff of hypocrasy....
 
#19
parapauk said:
jew_unit said:
ashie said:
jew_unit said:
Care to provide proof, or to look at the evidence I've seen?
Sure. His whole propaganda campaign is based on a lie about a student being failed for refusing to address the question "Why President Bush is a War Criminal". He used this to demonstrate how "liberals" were taking over colleges. However, he completely distorted the question, refused to acknowledge the college's clarification and, when the truth of his lying came out, responded with something to the effect of "some of our facts may have been wrong, but our point was right".
So you don't like Horowitz. Fine. Now, what do you think about the protests by the left wing factions in universities which emphatically do restrict freedom of speech? Your opinin of Horowitz is irrelevant here as I also believe that the left us quick to adopt tactics to which the right will not sink.
No, he didn't shout at a meeting. He just published a book trashing 100 people. Class act :roll:
Didn't hamper their freedom of speech though did it? Ignore what he did and address the point.
 

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